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Microsoft has finally admitted defeat

A new browser coming out with Win10, a "defeat". What, in the "browser wars"? :lol:

 

I think it's just a new name, and a faster core.

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Please don't be so keen to drag down IE. for many people of my vintage that was all we knew, it did us a reasonable service. Yes it can be improved upon but then again what we are using today will be out dated this time next year!

 

Phil

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Please don't be so keen to drag down IE. for many people of my vintage that was all we knew, it did us a reasonable service. Yes it can be improved upon but then again what we are using today will be out dated this time next year!

OK except people of my vintage knew "lynx" which was text-based and good for use on dial-up connections.  It ran alongside other tools like WAIS and gopher.  Where there was better bandwidth, we ran Mosaic from UICC (on Unix any way).

 

When I went to OS/2, eventually IBM came out with their own browser (IIRC in Warp 3.0?) but quickly replaced it with Netscape Navigator which I think was just a follow-on to Mosaic.   Out of Netscape (eventually became Communicator) there came Mozilla (which I guess continues on these days as SeaMonkey) but most of the browser development activity moved to Firebird (later rebranded as FireFox).

 

IE was a "me too" from MS, much like Win 95 was a "me too" for OS/2.

 

scott s.

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A new browser coming out with Win10, a "defeat". What, in the "browser wars"? :lol:

 

I think it's just a new name, and a faster core.

 

Yes they have been working on 'Spartan' for a while now. What the programmers do and what the marketing department do are two different things. 'Spartan' could have been called Internet Explorer 12 but obviously that IE branding has become so stained over its 20 year history that a restart is in order.

 

From what I have been reading 'Spartan' is new for Windows 10 so a new and fresh approach on things as they have to make up for bad publicity on Windows 8 as well.

 

 

Please don't be so keen to drag down IE. for many people of my vintage that was all we knew, it did us a reasonable service. Yes it can be improved upon but then again what we are using today will be out dated this time next year!

 

Phil

 

20 years of life for IE is an eternity in computer software so all they are really doing is getting rid of the Internet Exporer branding and replacing it with something else. Like it or not when you sell an Operating System you do require some way of accessing the internet, even if you are a Chrome user or Firefox you have to use Internet Explorer on a fresh install of Windows to set those up. For many like me that was my only use of IE was to use it to install something else right away.

 

MS can do better and they admit that, this is why they are working on 'Spartan'

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OK except people of my vintage knew "lynx" which was text-based and good for use on dial-up connections.  It ran alongside other tools like WAIS and gopher.  Where there was better bandwidth, we ran Mosaic from UICC (on Unix any way).

 

 

Lol memories when reading those program names ;-)

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I just looked at this map, which is very up to date, and I've got to say... I'm surprised:

 

 

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Green is Google Chrome, Blue is Internet Explorer, Orange is Firefox

 

The majority of people in Japan and Korea, both super developed countries with the best internet in the world, use Internet Explorer??? What????

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Ah...another opportunity to dump on Microsoft. Never give up...eh? That story is not quite accurate. IE will be kept for Enterprise users who require something other than really fast. Of course the story I read may be speculation/interpretation as well.

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Ah...another opportunity to dump on Microsoft. Never give up...eh? That story is not quite accurate. IE will be kept for Enterprise users who require something other than really fast. Of course the story I read may be speculation/interpretation as well.

 

There's a reason the map above your post is colored like that, and its not that the world decided to dump on Microsoft. Its because the world choose which product fit its needs, and it was not IE.

 

MS is dumping the IE name for a reason. Its because its become synonymous in users minds with "Things I don't want", much like windows 8

 

Everytime IE would somehow become my default browser, I would yelp and switch back to something else right away. Not because I hated MS, but because IE behaved like poo, and Bing was...........  :wacko:

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My mate uses firefox, he's in Canada, where is that orange dot. lol

 

...come to think of it, i'm using Ie, and I don't see a blue dot in the uk either. I didn't run into any problems with Ie so found no need to use another browser apart from in testing. A fuss about, not much I think.

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AVSIM is the only website for which I use Mozilla's Firefox, and that is only because the forum software here doesn't behave well with IE10/11 at all.

 

Although I do have Google Chrome installed and available, I rarely use it...

 

...preferring to stick with good 'ole Internet Exploder, er... Explorer

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AVSIM is the only website for which I use Mozilla's Firefox, and that is only because the forum software here doesn't behave well with IE10/11 at all.

 

Although I do have Google Chrome installed and available, I rarely use it...

 

...preferring to stick with good 'ole Internet Exploder, er... Explorer

 

I think it depends on how you use your browser. IE is kind of the Milk-toast of browsers: Plain, unexciting, boring......

 

The other browsers allow a much easier and more intuitive path to personal customization, and thats allowed a thermonuclear explosion of all sorts of apps to do just about anything you might think of at any given moment. IE, to an extent, lets you do some of this too, but its a bit more reluctant about it, and has a tendency to try to convince you to do things Microsoft likes.... Like use BING (Blearrrggghhh!) 

 

You can't really blame them for trying, but....... no.

 

The other browsers just tend to seem much more open, friendlier, and very often, faster during a time when MS, following its own agenda was very very very very slow to respond.

 

So people walked away, and the bad rep grew. To the point now, that they are forced to rebrand because too many people think of IE the same way I do.

 

Same as with Windows 8. MS created their dream os, but it was their dream of a smooth experience across all platforms, and everyone elses... Meh, moment.

 

I've never ever had so many people arrive with brand new machines begging to have the "free" operating system that came with it removed ASAP. It was eye-opening.

 

You could blame the public, but whose job is it to make products people actually want?

 

Now it seems like they might have to just about give windows 10 away to get people to give them another chance. Hopefully they won't totally blow it, but they have to stop that we-know-best stuff, and start listening to the users.

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As mentioned above, IE isn't dead. Actually it will continue to be updated/available for those users with "legacy" hmm "enterprise" applications.

 

It might not be the fastest, but it has served many people incredibly well. IE was designed when the Internet was for browsing; chrome/Firefox have come around later and were designed slightly differently.

 

I view the browser wars very much like the FS9/FSX/P3D/XPX debates. Each browser has their own special use and forte, along with downsides to each.

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Having read this " story " , it seems to me that the only thing that is " gone " is the name . Browser itself will still be made by Microsoft and until it is released no one has any idea as to looks or functionality .

 

Reminds me of an episode of Blackadder ( he has to marry the Spanish Infanta ) when someones eyes were said to be more blue than  " The Blue stone of Galveston " , where the person making the statement had seen neither the eyes of the person nor the Blue stone .

 

John

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RIP IE.

Shouldn't it be RWOP IE! For the worst coding that ever came out of the MS stable.

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Each browser has their own special use and forte, along with downsides to each.

 

The downside for MS is that the majority don't like their offering. Considering the amount of money and effort they've spent trying to coax people to use it over the years, (as well as Bing) Its got to be an expensive and disappointing result.

 

Maybe now they will sit back a bit and really try this time, to figure out why people were not impressed with their offering..

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All the people saying it's a much ado about nothing have never had to develop for IE. The problem started around IE v5 or 6. Around this time, Microsoft were absolutely dominating in the browser wars (there was actually no war to speak of, Netscape Navigator didn't cut it at the time and Microsoft knew this) Microsoft got cocky and started adding features and doing things *their* way. Mozilla gained traction with Firefox, webkit was released (Safari/Chrome). Firefox and Chrome together with Opera adhered to a set of web standards and were beginning to get big.

 

Microsoft panicked and began updating (after years of being lazy). The only problem was, each new version of IE was just building on the incompatible previous version (incompatible by web standards) and web developers had to spend a ton of time just writing workarounds for IE so the site would display the same in all browsers (IE still had a massive market share)...We're talking basic CSS layouts that would completely break the page in IE. Eventually Microsoft competely rewrote IE a couple of years back to be more web compatible but it was too little too late. As we can see now, Firefox and Chrome are the big hitters and they've pretty much forced Microsoft to drop the IE brand altogether. Spartan is clearly just IE in another guise, but hopefully they've learned their lesson. They've got a long way to go before they get to the top again and I doubt it's even possible anymore.

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The problem began when Bill Gates said "The internet is just a passing fad" so in typical Microsoft Fashion they got caught with their pants down and had to play catch up really fast. Then with Windows98 Second Edition their response was they integrated IE into the operating system and got caught up in anti-trust lawsuits which they were forced to reverse and pay settlements.

It was plagued from the beginning and they worked very hard over time to make it right. I do like it when MS just wipes the slate clean and starts again which is what they are doing right now, 20 years later  :lol:

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Spartan is clearly just IE in another guise, but hopefully they've learned their lesson.

 

This is more than just a rebranding. They are forking the rendering engine in IE and stripping out all of the old junk that is holding it back. However, thanks to the corporate world and their custom internal applications and systems, they have to maintain backwards compatibility too, meaning the IE rendering engine will still be included.

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/what-we-know-about-project-spartan-extensions-and-performance-yes-windows-7-no/

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I am wondering about the up coming windows 10. What about windows 9 ? I wonder if we are going once again to see a whole new platform like we did with XP becoming Vista? 

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I am wondering about the up coming windows 10. What about windows 9 ? I wonder if we are going once again to see a whole new platform like we did with XP becoming Vista? 

 

I thought Windows 8 was Vista 2.0? My mistake maybe.

 

It probably either boils down to a marketing thing to name it windows 10, or 8.1 is windows 9, or they had a windows 9 and it was really bad so were skipping to 10.

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I thought Windows 8 was Vista 2.0? My mistake maybe.

 

It probably either boils down to a marketing thing to name it windows 10, or 8.1 is windows 9, or they had a windows 9 and it was really bad so were skipping to 10.

They didn't "scrap" 9. They used a different number because Windows 98 and 95 both start with 9, and that caused some interference. Read about it here: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/191279-why-is-it-called-windows-10-not-windows-9

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I am not skeptical of things to come. They have learned from Windows 8 and 8.1 was reversing some of that mistake. WIndows 10 should be in the right direction. Spartan is just the browser that will come with WIn10 and if it is great then people will use it. If not then Chrome or Firefox  or browser of choice will still be available.

 

From what I read Spartan is a restart and not a next release of IE with a new name, They are working on new things and speed is one of those things

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