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Showing off the amazing visuals in X-Plane 10 (with the Bell 407)

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Hello,

 

As some of you know, I'm a massive P3D fan but I also know that there seems to be a large contingent of the FSX/P3D community who won't even entertain the idea of flying X-Plane. I know X-Plane has it's rough spots but we all know FSX/P3D has its own share of rough spots too.

 

I've just uploaded a short 4 minute video of clips of me flying the brilliant DreamFoil Bell 407 and I decided to put it here in Hangar Chat to see if we could get a (civil!) discussion going.

I really hope XPX gets some much needed attention in the near future with regards to Developers, AI and Weather. So many of us P3D Users are always chasing the visual side which, I'm sure you'll agree, is something XPX really excels at.

 

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Looks very nice, but you can't get me to part from FSX/P3D just yet  ^_^

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Very good Neil.  Yes the high way shots do look good alright. 

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I don't use Xplane ( I did try XP10's demo once), but I feel as if it's better suited for the low and slow type of flying whereas FSX/P3D has a better and wider selection of tubeliners.

Either way, I'm out of hard drive space for XP10  :lol: Need to buy another 2TB's or so.

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I've just uploaded a short 4 minute video of clips of me flying the brilliant DreamFoil Bell 407 and I decided to put it here in Hangar Chat to see if we could get a (civil!) discussion going.

 

I'll keep my finger on the Risk of Closure button ...  :wink:

 

P3D is my main "go to" simulator as it just has everything.  However I keep XP10 updated and running (even bought the Steam Version of XP10 just because I didn't want to have to mess with my old XP10 DVDs).  Some great new aircraft and products have come along for XP10  (Skymaxx, Aerosoft, Carenado, and many others).  The night/dusk/dawn road lighting and road traffic is just fantastic ... and boy can that police car really move, think I clocked it at 130-140 GS.  My TrackIR worked out of the box with XP10 ... no need for simConnect just check the settings box for TrackIR and bingo, good to go.

 

XP10 still has some basic render engine issues (terrain shadow maps, airport lights that float in the sky, strange reflections on water surfaces) and performance issues (have to dial back a lot of detail to get a solid 30 fps out of it in 4K on my Titan X).  There is still a lot missing from XP10 but it has improved and keeps improving.

 

If you haven't already, you should also give DCS a try.

 

I'm also waiting to see what this "new" flight sim product is about from Dovetail.

 

It is nice to have so many good quality options for flight sim enthusiasts.  Obviously it's difficult for many to maintain multiple simulators (financially and time commitments) but if you do have spare time and cash, it's good to taste the simulator world outside of one's primary simulator.  Good developers doing good work all around us.

 

Speaking of videos, I can't for the life of me get ShadowPlay to work in full screen mode in XP10 (it does work in Window mode) ... tried starting in Window mode then expanding to full screen, but still no go.  Were you using ShadowPlay for recording your video?

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Thanks everyone :)

 

Rob, I was a big fan of DCS a couple of years back, love that Blackshark and Huey (I do have a soft-spot for helicopters) but I kind of burned out on the A-10 before taking a break from simming for a while. I'll take another look at it once EDGE drops. They've been promising us that for years!

 

What I like about X-Plane is that there is a lot of freeware available. It seems like a very community driven sim. One of the big criticisms towards XP 10 was it's featureless airports, but even that's being addressed by the community and anyone is free to use the available tools to build an airport and upload it to the Gateway for it to be included in a future X-Plane update. The HD Mesh available is also outstanding (featured in my video) and the stuff that Tonywob is doing with World2Xplane is extremely impressive.

 

As "TheNerd" mentioned, FSX/P3D is where it's at when you're after some "big tin" but I'm really looking forward to IXEG's 737 Classic that should be on it's way Soon and the fact that PMDG have also taken an interest is great news for all of us.

 

As for recording, I was using Shadowplay for my previous videos but last week picked up a Hauppauge Rocket PVR for doing the YouTube stuff so that's what I used for the X-Plane video. I haven't actually tried Shadowplay with X-Plane yet (seriously considering returning the PVR though and going back to Shadowplay, it's not the catch-all solution I was expecting it to be)

 

If I had to quote one line from your post it would be this one...

 

it's good to taste the simulator world outside of one's primary simulator.

 

Wise words, indeed.

 

All the best,

Cal ;)

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I knew you were Cal in disguise!  How you make time for the MotoGP circuit and wonderful flight simulation videos I don't know!

 

If you ever figure out how to get ShadowPlay to work in full screen mode in XP10 please post it.

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

BTW, your videos are very professionally done ... clear, concise, and to the point ... no umms, no errrs, no long pauses as you breath heavily into the microphone ... excellent "work" indeed.

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BTW, your videos are very professionally done ... clear, concise, and to the point ... no umms, no errrs, no long pauses as you breath heavily into the microphone ... excellent "work" indeed.

 

Great tutorials and reviews, he has a gift for it alright.

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Nice video, and yes certainly some beautiful eye candy in XP. And what about those crispy VC shadows!  :wub:

 

Still, the autogen looks a bit stale and "plastic" to my eye, and the lack of airports, atc, weather, etc still needs to be addressed before I make drive space for this sim.

 

My eye is on it though!

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I knew you were Cal in disguise! How you make time for the MotoGP circuit and wonderful flight simulation videos I don't know!

 

Is Ebs Cal Crutchlow?

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Is Ebs Cal Crutchlow?

The motor bike racer, Yes! I knew Neil/Cal before he was famous. *sticks tongue out*!

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For those of you that have Radar Contact 4, there is a plugin due to be released very soon that integrates RC4 into X-Plane. Add in MCE for X-Plane and I believe you get full voice controlled ATC. Alternatively there is always Vatsim, IVAO and Pilotedge, all of which support X-Plane 64 Bit 

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That was a very impressive video, although I have to say that the final moments flying between (and often through!) the light poles and overhead signs...

 

...brought back one of my ancient nightmares; flying very low altitude patrols in a helicopter and being trapped because of power lines and other obstacles crisscrossing the highway, with nowhere to go but forward! :shok:

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Thanks for the kind words all! Very much appreciated.

 

 


how to get ShadowPlay to work in full screen mode in XP10 please post it.

 

Rob, I just did a quick test with Shadowplay. X-Plane is a weird one that's for sure and it wouldn't work directly. (as you know!)

I run two montiors. So, get XPlane running full screen, then click on the second monitor to give it focus. Enable shadowplay and immediately click back into X-Plane. That does the trick!

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So, get XPlane running full screen, then click on the second monitor to give it focus. Enable shadowplay and immediately click back into X-Plane. That does the trick!

 

I don't have two monitors ... what's interesting is that I can record with ShadowPlay in Window Mode but I don't get the nVidia FPS counter but I do see the "recording" icon.  I'll mess around with it some more and see if I can get full screen working (tried desktop and non-desktop mode also with no love).

 

Your Terrain and cockpit shadows look considerably better than my experience (even at max settings) -- perhaps driver issue -- are you making any other "adjustments" for shadow maps?

 

Cheers, Rob.

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I don't have two monitors ... what's interesting is that I can record with ShadowPlay in Window Mode but I don't get the nVidia FPS counter but I do see the "recording" icon.  I'll mess around with it some more and see if I can get full screen working (tried desktop and non-desktop mode also with no love).

 

Your Terrain and cockpit shadows look considerably better than my experience (even at max settings) -- perhaps driver issue -- are you making any other "adjustments" for shadow maps?

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

I saw your other post here speaking of some visual faults in Xplane , personaly never saw the things that you are talking about , so you might have a driver problem or so (and I'm using a poor GTX 460 so your card is miles away LOL)

 

From what it seems , in the nvidia control panel in 3D settings there is an option called "threaded optimization" , this one should be OFF as it seems to have problems with Xplane mainly in terms of performance.

many people suffered from bad stuttering and lower FPS with newer drivers , turning this option OFF and they gained those losts frame rates back and Xplane was smooth again.

Maybe some of the visual faults also related so you should give it a try

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I don't have two monitors

 

Rob, give this a go.

- X-Plane full screen.

- Hit Windows+D

- Enable Shadowplay recording.

- Alt-tab back into Xplane.

 

Also what mtaxp said is true, Threaded Op. is an OpenGL setting and worth toggling on and off and testing.

 

as for settings ,here are mine

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Is Ebs Cal Crutchlow?

If it is then I love you on the new LCR :)  

 

I wish they gave you Dani's seat while he recovers...  LOL  Also amazed he finds time to sim in between races :)

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Also amazed he finds time to sim in between races

 

And down some Guinness ... I thought all MotoGP riders were strictly 3 crackers, 1 apple, 5 grains of rice, and 3 oz of coffee (black) a day types.

 

 

 


Maybe some of the visual faults also related so you should give it a try

 

Thanks for the suggestions, absolutely will do another XP10 round tonight ... I want to use the 350.12 drivers but 347.88 works with P3D and the 350.12 don't and I hate having to go back and forth with driver installs.

 

Are you folks using SkyMaxx 2.1.1?  The "god rays" option seems to be very hard on performance.  I do get some strange gradients ... visible (at night) which suggests I'm not getting 32bit color depth even though it is set to 32bit.  I'll also try lower resolutions and see how that works.

 

But for now I'm going to test out Split X for P3D -- supposed to be a new way of doing airports so I'm curious.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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There isn't any difference between 347.88 and 350.12 so it doesn't really matter for Xplane.

This threaded optimization problem came with the drivers that was released back then for the maxwell generation , every thing above 337.88 if I recall correctly.

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A video of The Lake District, UK in X Plane 10.35 in the free Alpha Jet (XPFR site - certainly not a study sim but flies like a dream). Using Flight 1/RC Sims photscenery, native XP clouds (which seem to have improved lately) although I switch between them and SkyMaxx using the Data Ref edit plug which can be done on the fly depending on the visual I want). No stuttering - using the 337.88 driver on the Titan.

 

Also using W2XP UK Pro - Tony has done a fabulous job for the UK and says with support from the community feasible to do for other countries.

 

I use P3D too - but find I get stutters with ORBX but none when native. Have tried everything but can't seem to fix it - and yet Rob is getting the opposite - smooth as butter in P3D and stutters in X Plane - must be each system to its own. :)

 

Sorry it's not professional but hopefully you will enjoy - but I had tremendous fun - and that is the key for me - sometimes looking at the forums it all gets a bit to serious. My RW training flights are for the serious stuff otherwise I will die!

 

It will be blurry to start but should sharpen up. If it doesn't and you can be bothered it can be downloaded.

 

http://1drv.ms/1AjYJnf

 

cheers

Peter

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Thanks Cal, I have the same gfx card so I'll try your settings (and driver).

Enjoy your Guinness :) 
 

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I didn't have much success with the thread optimization ... turning it OFF dropped fps by about 25%.  So I set it to ON.

 

I used Neil's settings which did improve the performance as expected ... 4X SSAA would drop performance by 30%.  2X SSAA + FXAA was ok, but lots of aliasing issues from runways when at altitude.

 

Here's a video from Aerosoft's Heathrow (in 4K ... I did get ShadowPlay to work per Neil's trick):

 

 

Any other suggestions to improve performance are welcome.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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If you are not streaming try maybe killing some of the serivces which comes with the Nvidia geforce experience and the SHIELD thing.

Those stutters are known with newer drivers , but to many people this threaded optimiztion thing caused it and turning it OFF solved the problem , but to you it makes things worse kinda odd...

 

I reccomend that you file a bug report to the developers so they'll be aware of this problem and maube talk to Nvidia (previous driver problem were solved that way like the weird red artifacts with HDR back then), as they are currently working on 10.40 (which BTW according to some alpha testers may bring a nice performance boost).

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