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Don't watch any of this guys videos. What he did was record FSX or P3D, and then edit it. He brands all of them as Flight Simulator (insert current year here). He also completely ripped off an idea from another well respected member of the flight sim community, JRSchipol, with his pathetic version called "remember".

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The "real" or "not real" discussion is pointless. Relatively cheap simulators are never going to look or feel real in at least the next ten years. All a developer (or YouTube video maker) can do is stretch resources to give an approximation.

 

I've been invited on quite a few full motion sims over the years and procedurally they seem pretty good. On most of them the "feel" factor was supplied by the hydraulics and the "real panel", not by the scenery visuals which in the vast majority of multi million dollar full motion sims don't come anywhere close to what you can now buy on Steam or elsewhere for a few bucks.

 

The magic of being in a full motion sim persuades you to forgive and/or suspend criticism of the pretty poor graphics. It is almost exclusively graphics that FSX and P3d users complain about even though both sims are being driven to within an inch of the average computer system's life. Where they complain about flight modelling there are also quite interesting comparisons. Contrary to the belief of some, very expensive motion sims do not actually provide totally accurate flight modelling. What they are very good at is communicating scenarios where failures are possible and what system failures could lead to. If you remove the motion the "feel" is no better, and perhaps no worse, than you would experience in a sim which costs a tiny fraction of the price of a full motion sim.

 

There is no doubt that expensive sims that are FAA or CAA approved generally perform very well where procedural and instrument fidelity is required. In most other respects they are not much better than you would see in a decent FSX or P3d setup. It's the hardware and the visceral touch of solid controls and a convincing panel in front of you that provides the seduction.

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Well just looked at video and my opinion is they are superb, wish mine was as good....wonder what his setup is.

Mhazy

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Well just looked at video and my opinion is they are superb, wish mine was as good....wonder what his setup is.

Mhazy

He edited the effects and the video with sony vegas. So its not really p3d out of the box or with addons.

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This is a movie, not a game. Can you criticize everyone in the circle. You can not watch, or go watch those movies where it is 5 fps and graphics on low detail. You must distinguish between gameplay-movie video. You can not. Good luck!


Don't watch any of this guys videos. What he did was record FSX or P3D, and then edit it. He brands all of them as Flight Simulator (insert current year here). He also completely ripped off an idea from another well respected member of the flight sim community, JRSchipol, with his pathetic version called "remember".

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA.... I started my videos on flight simulator 2004. For 8 years I'm on youtube. I had another channel(karmeloFSX). My sub remember. It is easy to criticize someone  work, everything is edited can make yourself?

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Filmed in FSX/P3D. Speeded up using video editing software so that it looks so smooth. Whacks the sound, so use real-world audio from another youtube video. Illusion complete!

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Filmed in FSX/P3D. Speeded up using video editing software so that it looks so smooth. Whacks the sound, so use real-world audio from another youtube video. Illusion complete!

 

I'm not sure what the controversy is. Haven't a lot of FSX videos, including product promotional ones, used the same techniques?

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Don't watch any of this guys videos. What he did was record FSX or P3D, and then edit it. He brands all of them as Flight Simulator (insert current year here). He also completely ripped off an idea from another well respected member of the flight sim community, JRSchipol, with his pathetic version called "remember".

Why should we not watch the videos? It seems obvious in viewing the linked video (and others by the same individual) that these are primarily being presented as artistic works, not accurate portrayals the performance of any particular "out-of-the-box" simulator. It appears that the naming convention simply refers to the year in which the movie was produced.

 

There's a big difference between a flight sim video made primarily for its artistic value, than a video made as a 100% accurate depiction of the performance of a specific sim or add-on - like one of Froogle's reviews.

 

Like any other movie, it stands to reason that video and audio editing, CG enhancements etc. are going to be employed, just as they are in any movie intended for entertainment. The poster makes it very clear in the accompanying notes on each video that they were edited and enhanced.

 

As far as the part about "ripping off" someone else's concept - 500 years ago, Leonard DaVinci produced a famous portrait of a woman: "Mona Lisa". Are we then to say that other artists (Rembrandt, Monet et al) who also produced portraits of women were "ripping off" DaVinci?

 

I think the videos are very well done, and I applaud the effort that went into making them.

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I'm not sure what the controversy is. Haven't a lot of FSX videos, including product promotional ones, used the same techniques?

 

I think the issue is that a lot of people, especially newcomers strive to get that quality of graphics with reasonable frame rates because they think its achievable. They spend a lot of money on upgrades trying to chase the dream and end up sadly disappointed. A little more honesty would be preferable in this types of videos or maybe that would reduce the number of Youtube visitors and it's associated revenue flow.

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I think the issue is that a lot of people, especially newcomers strive to get that quality of graphics with reasonable frame rates because they think its achievable. They spend a lot of money on upgrades trying to chase the dream and end up sadly disappointed. A little more honesty would be preferable in this types of videos or maybe that would reduce the number of Youtube visitors and it's associated revenue flow.

 

Understood.

 

It's just that with so many other vids doing the exact same thing (going back several years) I don't think these particular videos deserve heightened scrutiny. The horse has already escaped the barn long ago on this issue. (I think) 

 

And its still out there, running wild! At this point, If I see an extra smooth FSX/PD video (Except Rob Ainscoughs) I assume its been doctored, unless I see from the specs that the poster is driving a supercomputer, and even then, I wonder.

 

I had to learn that, as you said, the hard, way. Probably just like everyone else.

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