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I recently did a clean install of Windows 10 and after I plugged in all my controllers they were all recognized by the new OS.

I am not planning on installing any the Saitek drivers only if I need to but wanted to know what is recommended for the Radio Panel

and the Switch Panel. Should I install Saitek's plugins or should I only install Spad?

If Spad is fine which version are you guys using?

 

I also plan on using LINDA for the panels with FSUIPC paid version.

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I don't have Win 10, so it may vary, but I use the freeware version of SPAD located at http://fstools.weebly.com/.

 

They work great for the switch and radio panels (I have two), as well as the multi panel. 

 

You can customize the switches to emulate various keystrokes, which helps when an aircraft, such as the A2A C172 doesn't completely conform to FSX defaults.

 

I have also played with the Saitek FSX plugins.  The Saitek plugins are pretty basic, with no ability to customize their function, but they work great.

 

Both load through exe.xml and are only in memory when FSX is.

 

There is also the option for the payware SPAD.neXT, but unless you need more customization, go with the freeware.

 

Ernie

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SPAD.neXt has the added advantage of driving FIPs and controls like yoke, and optionally do all of this over the network. I'd never go without it again. 

 

The old SPAD worked great indeed, but was just limited to the panels.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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I recently went to Windows 10. I have the Saitek Pro yoke, throttles and rudders but no panels. I installed the MadCatz Saitek W10 drivers and the Saitek plugin. Does the plugin do anything without panels?  Would SPAD do anything for me?  I use FSUIPC extensively for specific profiles.  The only real issue I've had is I can't get the mode switch to be recognized in conditional button programming.  And the yoke HID is bound to a generic USB input in device manager.

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I've run both Saitek drivers and SPAD for both versions of windows... SPAD all the way.  Wish Saitek would follow suit and can't understand why they haven't.

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Thanks Dave.  I use FSUIPC profiles extensively and the free version of SPAD doesn't let me connect to FSUIPC.  $25 seems like a lot if I only want the mode switch on my yoke to work so I can program conditional buttons in FSUIPC.  Hopefully Saitek will fix their drivers.   Funny thing is, if I run the Saitek yoke control panel while running FSX then the mode switch is detected, but as soon as I stop the control panel the mode switch is not detected.  I've been troubleshooting using FSUIPC log and console to watch the button presses.

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I think I have figured this out this is what works for me in windows10 - picture below is what I have found to be the final fix - which many do not know about I just got sick of my panels no working and dug deep

 

1. I downloaded from here http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/drivers.php     the driver for my multi panel which worked for radios also - downloaded 64bit version windows 8.1 / vista 64 even though I am windows 10 - does not matter

 

   At the top of page click the blue blank window - choose proflight - select multi panel - 64bit version windows 8.1 / vista 64

 

   File was called: Saitek_Pro_Flight_Panels_00000003_Software_pfw.exe

 

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2. Download Spad here http://fstools.weebly.com/download.html    pick the most current at the top of page - Current release v0.5.1

 

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3.  Download USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler      here   http://uraster.com/en-us/products/usbenhancedpowermanagerdisabler.aspx

 

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4. Now even though I ran USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler   ----   it didnt completely help me - this is what I figured out - I had to manually go into windows device manager and make these changes - not all needed it but some did - this is where I think the problem is see picture below - (In device manager expand Universal Serial Bus Controllers)  all of the generic and usb root hubs need to have allow the computer to turn off this device to save power needs to be UNCHECKED and MUST be done after all of the steps are done that I have highlighted above 

 

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Recap: install the Saitek drivers - install SPAD - run Power Manger - reboot immediately - go to device manager and un-click save power - reboot - good to go - this works perfectly - only thing now for some reason spad is no starting with windows so I just manually launch it before entering flightsim

 

Oh one more important thing you MUST have FSIUPC or it will not work - not sure if free version works as mine is paid for

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Thanks for the info Rich!

I have the paid FSUIPC4 and use it extensively for profile specific controls and buttons on my flight controls.  I don't have any Saitek panels, just the yoke, throttles and rudders (and a CH FighterStick for stick airplanes), so it doesn't seem like I'd get much from buying SPADNext and the freeware version of SPADNext doesn't seem to allow interface to FSUIPC.  The only problem I'm having is I can't use the Pro Flight Yoke mode switch, which isn't a big deal for me.

Happy Flying!

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Thanks for the info Rich!

I have the paid FSUIPC4 and use it extensively for profile specific controls and buttons on my flight controls.  I don't have any Saitek panels, just the yoke, throttles and rudders (and a CH FighterStick for stick airplanes), so it doesn't seem like I'd get much from buying SPADNext and the freeware version of SPADNext doesn't seem to allow interface to FSUIPC.  The only problem I'm having is I can't use the Pro Flight Yoke mode switch, which isn't a big deal for me.

Happy Flying!

 

Your welcome Bruce - hopefully it can help out - it should  :wink:

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I think I have figured this out this is what works for me in windows10 - picture below is what I have found to be the final fix - which many do not know about I just got sick of my panels no working and dug deep

 

1. I downloaded from here http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/drivers.php     the driver for my multi panel which worked for radios also - downloaded 64bit version windows 8.1 / vista 64 even though I am windows 10 - does not matter

 

   At the top of page click the blue blank window - choose proflight - select multi panel - 64bit version windows 8.1 / vista 64

 

   File was called: Saitek_Pro_Flight_Panels_00000003_Software_pfw.exe

 

================================================================

   

2. Download Spad here http://fstools.weebly.com/download.html    pick the most current at the top of page - Current release v0.5.1

 

=================================================================

 

3.  Download USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler      here   http://uraster.com/en-us/products/usbenhancedpowermanagerdisabler.aspx

 

=================================================================

 

4. Now even though I ran USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler   ----   it didnt completely help me - this is what I figured out - I had to manually go into windows device manager and make these changes - not all needed it but some did - this is where I think the problem is see picture below - (In device manager expand Universal Serial Bus Controllers)  all of the generic and usb root hubs need to have allow the computer to turn off this device to save power needs to be UNCHECKED and MUST be done after all of the steps are done that I have highlighted above 

 

=================================================================

 

16gcwic.jpg

 

Recap: install the Saitek drivers - install SPAD - run Power Manger - reboot immediately - go to device manager and un-click save power - reboot - good to go - this works perfectly - only thing now for some reason spad is no starting with windows so I just manually launch it before entering flightsim

 

Oh one more important thing you MUST have FSIUPC or it will not work - not sure if free version works as mine is paid for

 

Best set of instructions I have seen yet. Very well constructed and written.

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Best set of instructions I have seen yet. Very well constructed and written.

 

Thanks Frank  :wink:

 

Did notice I forgot one thing as usual lol - when you click on The hubs - right mouse click on it and go down to properties to get to the hub properties menu - most know this but thought I would throw it out there

 

One more thing this was to get my panels working not the yoke or pedals - they work right out of the box - leads me to think its only for hardware that lights up needing more power 

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Did notice I forgot one thing as usual lol - when you click on The hubs - right mouse click on it and go down to properties to get to the hub properties menu - most know this but thought I would throw it out there
 

 

Richard,

Another addendum.  It appears you do all of your connecting of controls to hubs?  If Saitek devices are plugged directly to the computer they may show up as "USB Input Device".  That is how they appear on my Windows 10 system.

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Richard,

Another addendum.  It appears you do all of your connecting of controls to hubs?  If Saitek devices are plugged directly to the computer they may show up as "USB Input Device".  That is how they appear on my Windows 10 system.

 

Hi Frank not on my home pc - where are you seeing this - not seeing it on work pc ? thanks 

 

Ah I think you mean in the same area Universal Serial Bus Controllers  right ? if so I would not have known that as it does not show in my shot - thanks 

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Now even though I ran USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler   ----   it didnt completely help me - this is what I figured out - I had to manually go into windows device manager and make these changes - not all needed it but some did - this is where I think the problem is see picture below - (In device manager expand Universal Serial Bus Controllers)  all of the generic and usb root hubs need to have allow the computer to turn off this device to save power needs to be UNCHECKED and MUST be done after all of the steps are done that I have highlighted above 

 

 

Just to add,

This file   Codelegend APME fix for Saitek panels from the Codelegend site works without the need to change the settings in device manager.

 

Go to Codelegend.com scroll down to file, download and follow the included read_me, works as advertised.

 

Mick

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Just to add,

This file   Codelegend APME fix for Saitek panels from the Codelegend site works without the need to change the settings in device manager.

 

Go to Codelegend.com scroll down to file, download and follow the included read_me, works as advertised.

 

Mick

 

Good point but not sure it works perfectly in windows 10 since USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler did not - thanks 

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Good point but not sure it works perfectly in windows 10 since USB Enhanced Power Manager Disabler did not - thanks 

 

Forgot to say I run Windows 10 so can verify it works.

 

The strange thing is my multi panel was working fine in win 10 but then failed completely ! not a Saitek fault but my own (the alt led failed and my attempt at a repair resulted in a new panel ! expensive lesson there)  however the replacement refused to display the screen hence my use of the codeledgend file.

 

Mick

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Forgot to say I run Windows 10 so can verify it works.

 

The strange thing is my multi panel was working fine in win 10 but then failed completely ! not a Saitek fault but my own (the alt led failed and my attempt at a repair resulted in a new panel ! expensive lesson there)  however the replacement refused to display the screen hence my use of the codeledgend file.

 

Mick

 

I think somehow those power saving switches can get turned back on so if having a problem check them all to see if this has happened - all I can think of

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Richard,

Here are two screenshots.  In the first I only have my Saitek pedals connected and accordingly you can see only the Saitek Pedals listed.  Note that at the end of the HID devices list are two items listed as "USB Input Device".  I do not have any Properties dialog box open in that first image.

 

In the second screen shot I have connected my Saitek Yoke and Saitek Multipanel and you can see that the Saitek Yoke now appears. Note also that the number of USB Input Devices at the end of the list has increased from two (2) to four (4).  Note that the Properties dialog box that is open is for the MadCatz Pro Flight Cessna Yoke.  The dialog box does not have a Power Management tab.

 

In the third screenshot the Properties dialog box that is open is for one of the two additional USB Device Inputs. Both of the newly appearing items do have Power Management available. One device is the yoke, including it's built in USB hub. The other device is a Saitek Multipanel.  If I unplug the yoke these two additional USB Input Devices disappear from the Device Manager list. These two USB Input Devices are not identified other than by Location.   The locations for these two items are:

 

Port_#0001  Hub_#0009

Port_#0004  Hub_#0009

 

In my setup the USB Saitek Multipanel is connected to the USB hub that is built into Saitek Pro Flight Cessna Yoke.  I then have the yoke connected to a powered USB 3.0 hub that sits on my desktop.  I have a Saitek Power Supply for the yoke but do not use it (read more below).

 

I used a different power management disable utility that the one you listed.  And as you wrote it took new drivers, the power management disable utility, and device appropriate deselection of Power Management in Device Manager to find complete success with my Saitek devices in Windows 10.

 

Additional note:  I was never previously able under either Windows 7 on my old system, or Windows 10 on my new system to plug my Saitek controls into any external USB hub, powered or not.  I was forced to plug them into ports directly on my computers.  I even purchased the Saitek power supply for the yoke and when I plugged the Multipanel into a USB port on the built-in hub of the now-powered yoke, the Multipanel display was more dim than without the power supply.  Very strange,but now I chalk that up to issues with Windows Advanced Power Management.  So now with Windows 10 specific drivers, application of the power management disabling utility, and the Control Panel Device Manager steps to disable power management for the devices, they all work great!

 

 

 

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The power management disabler utility I used is named: 

 

USBEnhancedPowerManagementDisabler.exe

 

I found it as a zip file back in January as a link from the Spad.Next developer's site.

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The power management disabler utility I used is named: 

 

USBEnhancedPowerManagementDisabler.exe

 

I found it as a zip file back in January as a link from the Spad.Next developer's site.

 

Yes that the one I use I believe but got it from link I posted

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I recently did a clean install of Windows 10 and after I plugged in all my controllers they were all recognized by the new OS.

I am not planning on installing any the Saitek drivers only if I need to but wanted to know what is recommended for the Radio Panel

and the Switch Panel. Should I install Saitek's plugins or should I only install Spad?

If Spad is fine which version are you guys using?

 

I also plan on using LINDA for the panels with FSUIPC paid version.

Pretty sure you do not need SPAD or Saitek drivers if using Linda.

See how you go with just Linda/FSUICP first.

 

gb.

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I want to thank everybody for the great contribution on this thread. I have not had time to read all the suggestions due to an emergency in the family and not being home. 

Hopefully I can get back to my PC next week and I'll give some feedback on what I'll end up doing. 

 

Thanks a lot. 

 

Ed

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I have two Saitek Throttle quadrants in my configuration. After re-installing Windows 10, the quadrants don't work anymore. I installed the Saitek drivers and the quadrants show up as an USB device, but any movement of the handles is not recognized. Of course I did the energy management trick (manually), but without success.

Any ideas?

Kind regards Arndt

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I have several USB controllers (GoFlight modules, yoke, rudder, Saitek throttle quadrants) and Windows 10 as the operating system. Although doing the power management trick as described in the previous mails, I still had severe problems with my USB controllers. They have not been recognized by Windows 10 at all, or movements of the controllers have been been transmitted to P3D with a time lag or quite jerky.

 

Now I could solve these problems by changed settings in the bios of my Gigabyte GA-Z170X mainboard

  • Legacy USB Support: Disabled
  • USB Mass Storage Driver Support: Disabled
  • TBT USB3.1 Force Power: Enabled. 

This might be a way for others too, who have problems with their USB controllers under Windows 10.

 

Best regards

 

Arndt

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