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My only question is whether the new card will be able to deal efficiently with 4xSGSAA in P3D with thick overcast. My suspicion that it's not going to happen as AA is something that LM should fix internally, not NV. Meanwhile, hope is the last thing that vanishes, therefore, I will be waiting patiently for the first reviews within a couple of months. 

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Being on 980ti now - I personally will be waiting on the 1080ti

If we look back through 980 vs 980ti and same in 700's..

 

The Ti is the mega jump of major interest usually.

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According to this from Ars the developer does not need to do anything to get the 3 Monitor distortion correction:

 

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/nvidia-gtx-1080-review/

 

Traditionally, this problem is solved by using three separate graphics cards in supported games, but with multi-projection, the single GPU can render three different viewpoints, with two of them correcting the distortion. Nvidia uses a similar technique to speed up VR rendering, allowing for a stereo image to be rendered in a single pass, dramatically improving the frame rate—a particularly big problem to solve when VR needs to run at a hefty 90 FPS. Without a VR headset to hand or multiple monitors, I can't say for sure how well this works just yet, but it was impressive in live demos, and developers apparently don't need to do a thing to see the performance benefits.

 

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Coming from a gtx 680, this should be a nice bump in performance.

My thoughts as well....can't wait!

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Also have a 980ti now and will wait for the 1080ti if they ever make one......

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Take my money! was ready to upgrade to a 980TI from my 970 but now I will go straight for the 1080. :P

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Coming from a gtx 680, this should be a nice bump in performance.

 

Yes, but only if you've got the right CPU to go with it.

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Yes, but only if you've got the right CPU to go with it.

The i7-975 Extreme, is killa...I do. :)

 

I passed by a few generations, to leap-frog.  Waiting has paid off.....

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Just the pricetag, my friends, the pricetag is more than shocking. And as long as we continue to buy this overprized stuff, nVidia will simply continue to release the next generation with an even higher pricetag. Come on, 699$ for a mediocre chip that some years ago would have ended up in the x70 instead of the x80 series? Are they serious? Thanks to the non-existent competitor called AMD, nVidia can increase the prices year by year. Just think about it, before you go and buy this card...

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Just the pricetag, my friends, the pricetag is more than shocking. And as long as we continue to buy this overprized stuff, nVidia will simply continue to release the next generation with an even higher pricetag. Come on, 699$ for a mediocre chip that some years ago would have ended up in the x70 instead of the x80 series? Are they serious? Thanks to the non-existent competitor called AMD, nVidia can increase the prices year by year. Just think about it, before you go and buy this card...

 

Since it technically replaces the regular GTX 980, it's definitely a little overpriced at the moment. Nvidia were first to 16nm, and they are enjoying the benefits. There will be competition later when AMD release Polaris for the mid-range and Vega for the high-end. Nvidia will also release their proper high-end card (with HBM2), probably next year, which should push the price of the 1080 down.

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No, the release of the HBM2 variants of Pascal GPU will not push the price down, you will simply have to add some more $$$ for those cards. I can already see the 1080Ti will be released at about 799$ or even more, holy cow... The only real chance of price reduction will be competition by AMDs Polaris and Vega, as you said. Otherwise, we are again a step up in the price history, such as we were with the release of the GTX-680 (the first time nVidia was selling a x70 chip as an x80 and nobody cared) and later with the GTX-980.

 

I mean, read the final words of the guru3d GTX-580 review back in 2010 (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_580_review,19.html): " Anyway, if priced right and if it falls within your budget, then we do like to recommend the GeForce GTX 580, but we are afraid that the 479 EUR (499 USD) price tag will scare away many people. High-end anno 2010 should be 400 EUR tops, imho."

 

And now, just some six years later, we accept a 699$ pricetag. Ridiculuous. BTW: the GTX-680 was then released for 500$ (469€), the GTX-780 even for 649$ (539€). Just the GTX-980 was a little bit "cheaper" with 549$, but then already the Titan brand was running with GPU around 1000$.

 

Verdict: the only guys to blame are ourselves being stupid enough customers buying this stuff (including me). Why should nVidia not try to always go one step up with the prices? But for me, it gets really ridiculous, 400$ for highend some years ago was a reasonable price for a graphics card, 700-1000$ just some five, six years later is simply ridiculous...

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Looking at comparisons between my 780ti and the 1080, I may to go to 3840*2160 (from 2560*1440) in 2016 or early 2017 (with the Ti) !

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Well, this is all interesting.  I just forked out 600 CDN doh for a GTX980 a year and some ago.  I am still on the ancient i7-2700K CPU.  I am waiting for simmer with deep pocket to try it out an report back.  To me going from the GTX680 to GTX980 gave some improvement but not earth shattering.  I suspect that my CPU is now the bottleneck but I keep hearing later CPU generation is not that much better than the i7-2700K for simming, so I wait.  

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Well, if you compare for example 980Ti with 1080, you will see that although the latter is the faster card in current games, the memory bus is smaller (384bit vs 256bit) and the memory bandwith is lower (337GB/s vs 320GB/s) for the novel card. I guess, upgrading a 980Ti is definitively something not to be considered now, for the 980 (comes as well with 256bit but only 224GB/s) it might be worth a second thought.

 

Regarding your CPU: it is said that a novel CPU generation from Intel roughly provides 8-10% more power on equal clock speeds and it seems that this performance gain is pretty well reproduced in FSX/P3D. Means: your 2700K (Sandybridge) running for example at 4.5GHz is as fast as a 6700K (Skylake) running at 3.4GHz. Or if calculate it otherwise, a Skylake i7 running at 4.5GHz is about 30% faster than your 2700K. Now, this sounds like a huge margin, but if your 2700K is having trouble to maintain for example 15-18FPS (my personal cutoff FPS value), the 6700K will only provide you 19-24FPS. Whether or not this only marginal increase in FPS is worth an upgrade including CPU, mainboard and RAM along with the time loss for a complete new installation of OS and SIM, well, that's everybody's personal decision. In my case, running with an 3770K@4.5GHz, this GTX-1080 release simply postponed my next big upgrade step another half a year, if the GTX-1080Ti (or whatever the Pascal Chip with HBM2 will be called) arrives, I will check again what is available on the CPU side and then I either update everything or again only the GPU. We will see...

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Well, after waiting months to find out if all the Nvidia noise was going to be something new instead of the the same hot air with a bad smell, it looks like the flim-flam smellly hot air producing king of GPUs is just making another attempt to get into our wallets. It is our fault, 100% we are to blame. 30 page review indeed. It is just like the 280, 380, 480 and will be the same for 100080 model. Lots of comparing apples and oil filters that mean nothing except to conclude that if your world revolves around Dancing Dragons and you are 35 and still live with your parents, then you will be happy. If you, like I, was hoping for a break thru after throwing away a lot of money over the years, well.....not so much. It appears to be just another carrot on a stick. Their Top reason to buy this "10X" faster GPU is that "it will perform better but just not a well as you would like. We are working hard and our next release will be better. So now Mister Flight Sim guy, Would you like one or two of these babies and do you want us to charge it to the same credit card as the yearly purchase that you have made for the past 10 years." Note: I sure hope I am wrong but if it quacks like a duck........

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Is your graphics card company playing games with YOU? Yes they are.

But not the game you would like to play.

 

They have all learned from other companies such as the I-phone products, Samsung, etc.etc. They realized people are never happy with what they have. So, every 9 months they add a little (a little) more icons or a little spec, or change the shape,  to make it look like the "Next Big Thing Is Here." And people run, swim, dash, fly, trip and stumble, to go get "the next big thing." When in reality is not a big deal. But, they get you with all the commercials and fuss.

 

Did you know that manufacturing an I-phone in China by poor kids (and adults) cost around ($ 130.00). Yet Apple brings it to you for only (only) $800.00 every 9 months. Smile.

 

The same with Nvidia, Intel, etc. etc. They know the tricks and let it go on you little by little, squeezing all the juice  $$$$ they can. So, before you buy your next  phone or video card, ask yourself. Do I really need to spend this money on that?  (9 out of 10 times- the answer is NO)

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Did you know that manufacturing an I-phone in China by poor kids (and adults) cost around ($ 130.00). Yet Apple brings it to you for only (only) $800.00 every 9 months. Smile.

 

That assumes that the software on the device has no value. I would suggest that is not the case, and the biggest differentiater between iOS and Android.

 

Cheers!

Luke

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Is your graphics card company playing games with YOU? Yes they are.

But not the game you would like to play.

 

They have all learned from other companies such as the I-phone products, Samsung, etc.etc. They realized people are never happy with what they have. So, every 9 months they add a little (a little) more icons or a little spec, or change the shape,  to make it look like the "Next Big Thing Is Here." And people run, swim, dash, fly, trip and stumble, to go get "the next big thing." When in reality is not a big deal. But, they get you with all the commercials and fuss.

 

Did you know that manufacturing an I-phone in China by poor kids (and adults) cost around ($ 130.00). Yet Apple brings it to you for only (only) $800.00 every 9 months. Smile.

 

The same with Nvidia, Intel, etc. etc. They know the tricks and let it go on you little by little, squeezing all the juice  $$$$ they can. So, before you buy your next  phone or video card, ask yourself. Do I really need to spend this money on that?  (9 out of 10 times- the answer is NO)

...and that accounts for my buy one...pass the next three or four series, strategy.  The strategy works....

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...and that accounts for my buy one...pass the next three or four series, strategy.  The strategy works....

Yea...I jumped off the train some years ago! I am still running a 780 with 3770K. I do think that I will pick up a cheap 980 TI when the "Flying Dragon" boys start throwing their CC numbers at Nvidia. At some point I want to get to a 4K set up now that the OC Riff is not looking all that good for at least a year or two. I have found that it cost nothing to turn down autogen 1 notch and after maybe a day or so you don't notice the missing KFC store in Do-DA Kansas.

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2 970's with a nice factory OC working well here.  Relatively fast, quiet and don't take up a lot of space. The nv x70's series has always been a great, cost-effective fit for simmers.

 

Cheers

jja

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2 970's with a nice factory OC working well here.  Relatively fast, quiet and don't take up a lot of space. The nv x70's series has always been a great, cost-effective fit for simmers.

 

Sorry to say, but all of above criticism also works for the x70 cards nowadays. Just look what will happen with the GTX-1070: it is meant to be as fast as a GTX-980 and nVidia now takes the step up and will sell the GTX-1070 for the price of a GTX-980. They really started off with this crap back then, when the GTX-680 was released, because AMD failed to produce a product challenging nVidia. The GTX-680 was the first product of nVidia, where they were able to sell a midrange chip (GK104) as a x80 series graphics card, simply because there was no competitor around. This little "trick" allowed nVidia to "develop" a novel high-end product called Titan, from this time on, the high-end chip (aka Gx100) was not anymore sold as a x80, but as a Titan or Ti variant, allowing nVidia to increase the prices. And now, just three generations later, nVidia takes the next step and puts the x70 on a pricelevel of the former x80 cards. And again, the problem is A) the customers (including me) and B) the absence of a real competitor.

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I think part of the ennui here over the value of faster processors comes partially from how (relatively) poorly FSX and P3D take advantage of the GPU. If you're a general gamer and use more modern programs designed from the ground up to take advantage of current hardware (as well as FSX/P3D) the value goes up accordingly.

 

Unfortunately most sims I can think of seem pretty heavily burdened by legacy code. Rather than palpable speed increases from new GPU's, we here tend to simply get better AA and higher resolutions, which blunts the value of updating.

 

X-plane fares a bit better here.

 

Since I'm also a general gamer, these cards are very very interesting.

 

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Sorry to say, but all of above criticism also works for the x70 cards nowadays. Just look what will happen with the GTX-1070: it is meant to be as fast as a GTX-980 and nVidia now takes the step up and will sell the GTX-1070 for the price of a GTX-980. They really started off with this crap back then, when the GTX-680 was released, because AMD failed to produce a product challenging nVidia. The GTX-680 was the first product of nVidia, where they were able to sell a midrange chip (GK104) as a x80 series graphics card, simply because there was no competitor around. This little "trick" allowed nVidia to "develop" a novel high-end product called Titan, from this time on, the high-end chip (aka Gx100) was not anymore sold as a x80, but as a Titan or Ti variant, allowing nVidia to increase the prices. And now, just three generations later, nVidia takes the next step and puts the x70 on a pricelevel of the former x80 cards. And again, the problem is A) the customers (including me) and B) the absence of a real competitor.

 

Well there's no law that says the x80 GPU needs to be a completely different chip than the x70. It's up to Nvidia to choose how they differentiate their products. Just because they did it one way for several generations doesn't mean they aren't allowed to change it.

 

However, competition at the high-end would definitely affect Nvidia's lineup. The price increase of the GTX 1080 vs the GTX 980 (and GTX 1070 vs 970) is a direct result of AMD not providing any competition. There's also a larger performance gap between the 1070 and the 1080 than the 970 and 980. With no competition, Nvidia can decide for themselves how the 1070 should be priced and spec'ed. If Polaris can match the 1070, Nvidia will be forced to reduce the price and/or add a "1070 Ti" to the lineup.

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