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Departing FSX, Arriving X-Plane

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This is just my thought process and experience and not meant to say what is better and what is not.... just to say what is better for me.

 

I have fully converted from FSX to XP.  I recently had a crash on my PC and had to re-install all of my FSX add-ons, and I had a lot.  However, that was not the worst part, the tweaking and trying to get rid of this and that problem was.  So, recently my PC was hit by lightning and I decided to just quit.  I considered purchasing P3D, however that price tag coupled with my RE-purchase of my PMDG planes was enough to make me pass.

 

I then went back and started looking at X-Plane I first looked at what investment it would take to get started and I was shocked to see the quality of add-on available by the community.  Granted when I was looking I noticed the negative comments about XP was the lack of airports included in the base install, however the community has more that made up for that.  You have to ask yourself, do you want generic renderings or quality.... the community has produced quality, so I was impressed there.

 

I also wanted to know the quality of aircraft available.  I would regularly fly the PMDG 737/777 and the Aerosoft A320 with some A2A, Carenado, and CaptainSim thrown in.  I was impressed that I can pick back up with XP with close to the same level of detail I had before and I knew Carenado was developing for XP. 

 

And of course there is future development and platform.  XP being 64 and P3D being 32.... I see the limited life in P3D as you can only take that architecture so far and XP having room to continue to grow.  While the third-party options are not as plentiful, I can see that XP is beginning to catch up. 

 

The last thing is after I installed XP and begin to spend some time with it, I discovered where XP really shinned and what I felt really mattered.....  I have found that the flight model to be superb and in my opinion far better than anything I have experienced previously.  As a PP and the feel I had was surprisingly realistic.  

 

Anyway, that was just my process and I have not looked back.  The decision at first was a hard one because of all the funds I had invested previously but looking forward I will invest it in something I see a future in and with less frustration than the past.

 

Clear Skies

 

 

 

 

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Definitely is a great time for X-Plane 10 being as more commercial developers are coming aboard and offering more high quality products. 

 

I made the switch from FSX a few years ago and have not looked back, although I do have P3Dv3 installed and enjoy it.

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I did too, switched to XP10 a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Gave P3D a shot for 30 days but being so used to XP's smoothness, it had to go, I just could not stand the micro stutters, autogen pop-ups and blurries, 

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I followed much the same process, FSX to XP, some years back. I have bought all the versions of P3d as they came out more out of curiosity than anything else to find it was essentially still FSX. So whereas I've checked out the competition I've found nothing to compare. When I discovered I could make free photoscenery with autogen atop it there was never any chance of even having the two sims maintained together as many like to do, there was only one head and shoulders above the rest. Welcome to XP, you're gonna love it.

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I use XP10 for 1.5 years now .. still learning and purchasing for it.

 

When Steam site goes down I cannot use XP10 ..

 

So I use P3D and my addons ...

 

If P3D needs addon updates (cuz new version of P3D e.g.) I use FSX and my addons...

 

The past purchases (investments in software and hardware) in all sims work well when needed.

 

Some aircraft I fly .. like VRS F18E and LevelD767 are limited by the SIM .. so at present I can only fly it in FSX .. until I update to P3Dv3.2 ... someday.

 

Or, the FF767 is my choice for Xplane an flight in a 767 ...

 

All the sims work well .. no lightning strikes yet. So, in my case I keep and use them all.

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My computer has a piece of technology called MultiSim™ which allows me to install both X-Plane and Prepar3D (and morre if I want) on the same system. That way I get the best of both worlds. For example, no equivalent of an OrbX regions with dozens of OrbX airports is available in XP, and the sim doesn't have full ATC and AI traffic.

On the other hand, there's a lot more freeware available for X-Plane, and lots of friendly-priced payware. The flight model is also more interesting, the frame rate is higher, and the sim is generally more stable.

X-Plane 10.50 is going to be extremely interesting. The monotonous Autogen will finally get an update, and per-airport flattening will put an end to runways that look like ski-ramps and buildings that float in the air - those are things that really kill the immersion.

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Switched to Xplane fully about 2 years now, finally have my ATC with Radar Contact 4, my AI traffic with X-life, my copilot with MCE and weather/clouds using Skymaxx WC NOAA. I had a lot invested in FSX and P3D, but I've found that I enjoy XPX more.

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Go and buy ixeg's 737-300, you will not look back believe me, ixeg & X plane 10 that's all you need, unbelievable aircraft, and like you guys say X plane is getting better all the time.

 

Regards

Paul egcc

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I also landed in XP totally. In the past i used to fly XP only for helicopters and FSX/P3D for airliners.

 

Now i have only XP in my system and really happy. I think is the time for XP.

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I always had both, but I used P3D more.. only recently, because of the blurrrrrr frustration, I decided to dedicate more time to XP.

It's smooth (it's not a matter of fps, i'm doing almost the same  fps), the physics is much more convincing, and the night/evening/lighting is amazing.. this is its strength points, that are really good points if we talk about a simulator, but talking about the graphic and the visual realism, a fully loaded XP10 (photomesh, custom mesh, skymaxx.. everything you can imagine), doesn't come near the beauty of P3D (with ORBX and REX), and also the enormous quality aircraft database (while in XP the good ones are very limited).

So actually i'm doing my night routes with XP10, but when I want to enjoy the scenery with that plane... I switch to P3D, accepting the stutters and the occasional blurriness, because the beauty of it surpasses any frustration. :)

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I use XP10 for 1.5 years now .. still learning and purchasing for it.

 

When Steam site goes down I cannot use XP10 ..

 

 

how does Steam go down 4 u? :rolleyes:  :P  in 6yrs Steam has never stopped for me.

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how does Steam go down 4 u? :rolleyes:  :P  in 6yrs Steam has never stopped for me.

 

David,

 

Steam site has gone down a few times ... that is why and how I knew to mentioned it. I have had problems with it.

 

Steam has to be installed on the PC, Steam on the internet has to be UP, my internet local connection must be Up or you cannot use the Steam purchased product Xplane10.

 

And Steam tracks all your game usage.

 

Had I known when I purchased I would have ordered Xplane10 directly (CD'S) from Xplane ...

 

At the time I purchased I thought Steam was just used for the immediate credit card purchase and product download transaction as I had never previously heard about Steam.

 

In addition, Tech support is thru Aerosoft Ticket system.

 

So, now I know to purchase directly from the developer /  sponsored distributors (like SimMarket / Flight One)  that do not have problems like I mentioned.

 

Edit:

I have read in a reply to me .. one pilot got so annoyed with having the Steam App running all the time (memory usage) the PC was turned on and the problems I mentioned .. he uninstalled Steam and re-purchased Xplane10 (minus Steam).

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David,

 

Steam site has gone down a few times ... that is why and how I knew to mentioned it. I have had problems with it.

 

Steam has to be installed on the PC, Steam on the internet has to be UP, my internet local connection must be Up or you cannot use the Steam purchased product Xplane10.

 

And Steam tracks all your game usage.

 

Had I known when I purchased I would have ordered Xplane10 directly (CD'S) from Xplane ...

 

At the time I purchased I thought Steam was just used for the immediate credit card purchase and product download transaction as I had never previously heard about Steam.

 

In addition, Tech support is thru Aerosoft Ticket system.

 

So, now I know to purchase directly from the developer /  sponsored distributors (like SimMarket / Flight One)  that do not have problems like I mentioned.

 

Edit:

I have read in a reply to me .. one pilot got so annoyed with having the Steam App running all the time (memory usage) the PC was turned on and the problems I mentioned .. he uninstalled Steam and re-purchased Xplane10 (minus Steam).

You can choose to put Steam in OFFLINE mode and it will remain that way until you allow it back on. You can of course always play the content you bought without an internet connection. 

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Switched to Xplane fully about 2 years now, finally have my ATC with Radar Contact 4

 

How is this possible, brother?

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I use XP10 for 1.5 years now .. still learning and purchasing for it.

 

When Steam site goes down I cannot use XP10 ..

 

So I use P3D and my addons ...

 

If P3D needs addon updates (cuz new version of P3D e.g.) I use FSX and my addons...

 

The past purchases (investments in software and hardware) in all sims work well when needed.

 

Some aircraft I fly .. like VRS F18E and LevelD767 are limited by the SIM .. so at present I can only fly it in FSX .. until I update to P3Dv3.2 ... someday.

 

Or, the FF767 is my choice for Xplane an flight in a 767 ...

 

All the sims work well .. no lightning strikes yet. So, in my case I keep and use them all.

Not really sure why you would not be able to use it when steam goes down. That's what offline mode is for.

 

7. Is it possible to run X-Plane 10 with the STEAM OFFLINE Mode?

Yes, with the X-Plane Version 10.30+ it is possible.

Start the STEAM Application in OFFLINE mode and start Start X-Plane 10.

 

http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/83728-faq-x-plane-10-steam-version/

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Angelo,

 

"You can choose to put Steam in OFFLINE mode and it will remain that way until you allow it back on. You can of course always play the content you bought without an internet connection."

 

Offline mode as you mentioned has nothing to do with their site Server being Offline (down) and your running Xplane10 as I mentioned previously.

 

I mentioned that their Server (Steam on the Internet) must be up and running .... they verify each time you start Xplane10 if you are a legal user (your PC) or the game will not start.

 

And while their Internet site is down you cannot log into your account on Steam or Play Xplane10 on your PC ..

 

You purchased Xplane10 but you cannot use Xplane10 all the time.

 

Steam has control when you can use Xplane10 on your PC.

 

Edit:

I know this to be true .. as I mentioned previously ... I have had the problem several times now.

And, I have used Offline Mode.

 

 

BTW, if your personal internet provider is down (like Comcast) how do you log into Steam to go into OffLine Mode on your PC?

 

 

I have never dad these problems with running other filght sims (FS9, FSX and P3D).

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I mentioned that their Server (Steam on the Internet) must be up and running .... they verify each time you start Xplane10 if you are a legal user (your PC) or the game will not start.

 

 

 

Not true. Steam only checks the first time you click play if you are authorized to play, After that you can play anything offline/online to your hearts content. Been using Steam over 10 years now and 300+ games in the library and never had an issue from Steam and wish I could import my entire FS products/addons to them.

 

Update, it may seem Laminar requires you to check in online once every two weeks similiar to the E-version they sell...Dumb Choice by them, but oh well.

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Angelo,

 

"You can choose to put Steam in OFFLINE mode and it will remain that way until you allow it back on. You can of course always play the content you bought without an internet connection."

 

Offline mode as you mentioned has nothing to do with their site Server being Offline (down) and your running Xplane10 as I mentioned previously.

 

I mentioned that their Server (Steam on the Internet) must be up and running .... they verify each time you start Xplane10 if you are a legal user (your PC) or the game will not start.

 

And while their Internet site is down you cannot log into your account on Steam or Play Xplane10 on your PC ..

 

You purchased Xplane10 but you cannot use Xplane10 all the time.

 

Steam has control when you can use Xplane10 on your PC.

 

 

 

Edit:

I know this to be true .. as I mentioned previously ... I have had the problem several times now.

And, I have used Offline Mode.

 

 

BTW, if your personal internet provider is down (like Comcast) how do you log into Steam to go into OffLine Mode on your PC?

 

 

I have never dad these problems with running other filght sims (FS9, FSX and P3D).

You clearly have not used it correctly... That's exactly what it's for... For when the service is unavailable, so you can still play your games.

 

You still "log in" to the steam app, but it uses cached credentials. You don't need even an internet connection. If you can't do it you are missing part of the setup/checks to. Ake sure credentials are cached.

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Not true. Steam only checks the first time you click play if you are authorized to play, After that you can play anything offline/online to your hearts content. Been using Steam over 10 years now and 300+ games in the library and never had an issue from Steam and wish I could import my entire FS products/addons to them.

 

Update, it may seem Laminar requires you to check in online once every two weeks similiar to the E-version they sell...Dumb Choice by them, but oh well.

 

If Steam site is down .. how can Steam check "if you are authorized to play" Xplane10 (I do not know about "Other Games".

 

If your internet provider is down how can Steam check "if you are authorized to play" Xplane10?

 

 

You clearly have not used it correctly... That's exactly what it's for... For when the service is unavailable, so you can still play your games.

 

You still "log in" to the steam app, but it uses cached credentials. You don't need even an internet connection. If you can't do it you are missing part of the setup/checks to. Ake sure credentials are cached.

 

That could be true .. I have not used off-line in a long time .. just on line ... and before you mentioned here about "it uses cached credentials" .. I never had known that.

 

So, in my case I get up .. turn on PC , run Xplane10 and it won't start .. because Steam site is down.

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Vaughan,

 

I'm not sure you realize how many millions of people use Steam on a daily basis. The outages a *very* few and far between. If you are having trouble to connect this often, that's definitely an issue with your internet connection. If it's stable/good enough to download an app as big as X-Plane 10, I wonder how it's possible to lose connection as much as you seem to do.

 

If you haven't had it for more than two weeks and used it for less than a total of two hours, Steam does offer refunds.

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I'm not sure you realize how many millions of people use Steam on a daily basis. The outages a *very* few and far between. If you are having trouble to connect this often, that's definitely an issue with your internet connection

 

Marius,

 

Exactly.

 

My (Michigan, USA) Comcast internet does go down too often ... I lose Internet, Phone and TV service.

Not so often (downtime) with Steam but even once means you cannot start Xplane10 when Steam goes down.

 

But that was my initial point. The problem I experienced.

 

I do not just lose the internet connection ..as in a hickup (unstable) ... the internet "service" could be down for hours at a time.

 

When that happens here I can play FSX but not Xplane10 (Steam).

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If Steam site is down .. how can Steam check "if you are authorized to play" Xplane10 (I do not know about "Other Games".

 

If your internet provider is down how can Steam check "if you are authorized to play" Xplane10?

 

 

 

That could be true .. I have not used off-line in a long time .. just on line ... and before you mentioned here about "it uses cached credentials" .. I never had known that.

 

So, in my case I get up .. turn on PC , run Xplane10 and it won't start .. because Steam site is down.

 

Steam is rarely...rarely....rarely..down. Steam has over 125M users and peaks around 9M users on a good day. Did I mention it's rarely..rarely down. If the Steam site is down regularly on your end then you have a connection issue and even so you have the option to launch Steam in "offline" mode till it's back up. 

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If the Steam site is down regularly on your end then you have a connection issue and even so you have the option to launch Steam in "offline" mode till it's back up.

 

If I am in on-line mode (Steam) from the previous day.

 

Next day I turn on my PC.

 

My local internet connection is down (storms in the area).

 

How do I connect to Steam to go in Off-line mode to use Xplane10?

 

Now, if the Steam site happens to be down ... cannot switch to OFFline mode?

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Vaughan, I'm not suggesting that you aren't experiencing what you say you are, but the reason why everyone is disagreeing is because no-one else has your same apparent issues.

 

I also have used Steam for many, many years, and also have hundreds of titles purchased through it. 

 

I use Steam on both my desktop / sim pit, and on my laptop / dev machine.  On my desktop it stays online 24/7.  I rarely (never) have connectivity issues, so things just work. On my laptop however, I use it away from home almost exclusively. Some of the time (like right now) I'm tethered through my iPhone to the internet, at other times I just stay unconnected. Steam launches when I boot my laptop, which is very rare - most of the I simply close the lid to put the laptop to sleep. 

 

However, regardless of whether I'm connected to the internet or not, regardless of whether my laptop has seen weeks without a restart or if it's a fresh boot, when I launch X-Plane, it simply launches. There are absolutely zero instances for me of X-Plane through Steam failing to start because of internet connectivity. To be clear, it's not even a matter of Steam notifying you that it's in 'offline' mode. It just works.

 

The only possible thing that I can think of, is that you don't start Steam when you boot your computer - that you are starting it and stopping it every time you start X-Plane.  In that scenario, you will indeed by asked for login credentials when you start Steam, but it most definitely will allow you to start in 'offline' mode, and there should be absolutely no issues in then attempting to start X-Plane.

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