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I can`t even takeoff.

 

-Saitek Rudder Pedals not able to assign axis to toe brakes or rudder. They are preassigned by the game to the stick! What the...?!?

-Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick Can`t assign my throttle, it`s not assigned by default.

-Trim controls are not fine enough to adjust. Just SLOW and FAST isn`t good enough to fine tune trim.

 

The controller setup is a real mess, tried to figure it out now for 30 minutes, just doesn`t work.

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How on earth do you control differential brakes or the front wheel?

 

Flunked first lesson 3 times in a row.

It just goes straight, I can't follow the Taxi line!

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How on earth do you control differential brakes or the front wheel?

 

Flunked first lesson 3 times in a row.

It just goes straight, I can't follow the Taxi line!

 

Welcome to the world of Dovetail products. 

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Working OK with Thrustmaster T16000 twist stick...will try pedals later

Picked up triple screen setup no problem :)

Can't set visibility range :(

Cheers

Keith

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I face problemas also with CH Pro Pedals - barkes left/right. In flight I can see the rudder twisted to the left and it stays there.

 

Have to check this better.

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Watching with interest....

 

I had pre-ordered, but there's no way I'm installing until I hear that rudder pedals are working properly.  If it's a bug, it's a terribly unfortunate one, and DTG has two weeks to get it fixed.

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Not bad, for a beginner kind of sim, but on a free flight, I noticed the following:

 

* Autogen is still popping up!

* What is it with the brightness / contrast? Snow blindness!

* The sky needs to be dulled down.

* Semi-robotic ATC voices.

* Horrible haze layer amplifies horizon color issues.

* Autogen = identical.

* Aircraft ground shadows randomly dissapear.

 

After looking at the config:

 

* HideInfoText does not seem to work.

* Enable Widescreen from 0 to 1 DOES work.

* Cannot modify runway lights size.

* Cannot modify street light size (far too big).

 

Aside from all of that, I think a reasonably good start. I believe these things can all easily be fixed. On a personal note, having been a long time simmer, there is one thing that I simply do not understand

about DFS, FSX, and even P3D, and that is why do so many airports have autogen going right up to the runway? To me, landing is a critical time when you want as many frames as possible to make this part of the flight fluid. I would love it if the devs out there made a "clearway" around runways so that we could achieve good frames.

 

I can say from my real world flying, as I'm on finals I am NOT looking at anything except the runway!

 

Cheers,

AJ.

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I can`t even takeoff.

 

-Saitek Rudder Pedals not able to assign axis to toe brakes or rudder. They are preassigned by the game to the stick! What the...?!?

-Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick Can`t assign my throttle, it`s not assigned by default.

-Trim controls are not fine enough to adjust. Just SLOW and FAST isn`t good enough to fine tune trim.

 

The controller setup is a real mess, tried to figure it out now for 30 minutes, just doesn`t work.

There is a wide range of peripherals which can be used with Flight School. While we cannot guarantee everything will be compatible, we are working with various hardware companies to provide as much variety as possible. These are the systems we have tested to date and confirmed as working. We will expand this list over time:

Xbox One controller, Xbox 360 controller, Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X, Saitek X52 Pro, Saitek X52, Saitek X55, Logitech Extreme 3D, MAD CATZ Cyborg Fly 5 Joystick, Mad Catz Cyborg V.1, Saitek Pro flight Yoke system (Yoke, throttle, trim wheel)

 

You can customise your controls in the setting menu. Something to note is there are different sub menus within the control settings. These can be found under the "Event" option. 

 

One lovely player created this video guide that you might find useful

 

 

- Martin 

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I face problemas also with CH Pro Pedals - barkes left/right. In flight I can see the rudder twisted to the left and it stays there.

 

Have to check this better.

I've had zero problems setting up my CH Yoke and CH Pro Pedals, as well as the various buttons and rockers to my preferences, even though by default they were already working 100%.

 

It's just that I have certain assignments for the buttons and rockers that I've used for many years, so prefer to keep the same layout and organization.

 

BTW, the differential brakes work perfectly for me by default.

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There is a wide range of peripherals which can be used with Flight School. While we cannot guarantee everything will be compatible, we are working with various hardware companies to provide as much variety as possible. These are the systems we have tested to date and confirmed as working. We will expand this list over time:

 

Xbox One controller, Xbox 360 controller, Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X, Saitek X52 Pro, Saitek X52, Saitek X55, Logitech Extreme 3D, MAD CATZ Cyborg Fly 5 Joystick, Mad Catz Cyborg V.1, Saitek Pro flight Yoke system (Yoke, throttle, trim wheel)

Hello Martin

 

Did you guys test this with just a Keyboard and a mouse?

(This is on my laptop, it has a full keyboard with keypad.)

 

I have spent more than an hour trying to steer the plane!

I have tried all keyboard keys, mouse as yoke, etc. I just wont turn.

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Perhaps this could be changed to a general buglist, rather than one persons, if that is ok with Heimi that is? Maybe one bug thread is better than lots?


I had an issue with first boot where all the settings and flight planning icons stopped responding, but I was able to use the back butting to exit and restart, this may have been a one off.


The visuals are a mess, with some very strange and often over bright lighting. Clouds receive no haze, and look dreadful, as does the fading effect of distant terrain. This has to be improved to make anyone with even half an eye on graphics continue to use this, as its that painful on the eye. The fact you are only stuck with weather themes makes it worse, as you have no control over cloud heights or haze distance. Also the UI needs a vsync option, as the tearing is awful.

 

There is little or no terrain shading/shadowing. It justs gets duller looking as the sun goes down.

 

Weird clouds

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Weird haze
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On the plus side it all worked out of the box with Kb & mouse and my Saitek evo stick was configured to work. The UI is nice and the Orbx scenery is a nice step up from the old ms default, though the quality of the data does vary depending on the location. Performance is good once into the flight, and its pretty smooth and relatively stutter free.


I just hope DT will listen to what I'm sure will be a flood of feedback if they are to be taken seriously in the FS market. As its stands this is not encouraging.


For fun I enabled cloud and scenery shadows (in the cfg) which kind of work, but are very buggy. The fact the entries are in the cfg suggests DT are working on these features.

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There is a wide range of peripherals which can be used with Flight School. While we cannot guarantee everything will be compatible, we are working with various hardware companies to provide as much variety as possible. These are the systems we have tested to date and confirmed as working. We will expand this list over time:

Xbox One controller, Xbox 360 controller, Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X, Saitek X52 Pro, Saitek X52, Saitek X55, Logitech Extreme 3D, MAD CATZ Cyborg Fly 5 Joystick, Mad Catz Cyborg V.1, Saitek Pro flight Yoke system (Yoke, throttle, trim wheel)

 

You can customise your controls in the setting menu. Something to note is there are different sub menus within the control settings. These can be found under the "Event" option. 

 

One lovely player created this video guide that you might find useful

 

- Martin 

 

Thank you Martin that helped.

But i`m still figuring out how to setup all controls. Wasn`t DTGFS intended for beginners not to overwhelm them?

I`m not a beginner and i am overwhelmed by the controls configuration. Too much needless stuff and very hard to understand.

 

Next Bug or setup error: There is always BRAKES indicated in the lower left corner. But i didn`t press the brakes and i deleted all other brake assignments other than toe axis

 

@Novation: Fell free, bu i can`t even edit my first post.

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Hi everyone, 

 

Thank you for trying to be organised and put together a list of any unexpected problems you are having along with your feedback. 

 

We really view this as just the beginning, so if you do run into any problems or you have some suggestions about how to make it better and further optimise the sim we would love to hear them. 

 

I am going to do my best to keep track of all the forum threads, but there is a lot of you and even more treads are popping up all the time. 

 

The best way to reach us for support, bug reports or any general feedback is through our support team. That way we can work with those of you who need some support advice personally, and keep track of all the feedback. 

 

You can reach us via our website here http://dovetailgames.kayako.com/ 

 

- Martin

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If brakes are on all the time then check the axis is reversed ala fsx and prepar3d. It is basically the same process as those sims. Select each controller and select axis and make sure only the things you want are assigned.

I've got mine running with a yoke, 2 quadrants, trim wheel and pedals. Everything works fine once you set them up. I had a quick look and it took me about 5 mins to work out and set up my controllers. It is just like fsx. Just remember to check for auto assigned duplicates on each controller.

Also remember that a true beginner probably isn't going to have multiple hardware controllers so it will just work for them.

 

Chris

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Something strange happened to the trim controls in Lesson 2 (UK).

 

Tried it the first time, didn't get it right and failed the lesson.

Tried it the second time and I had no trim control at all. Buttons '7' and '1' had no effect (tried numlock on and off).

 

Will try it again in a while and see if I can repeat the fault.

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Maybe it's just me, but in the piper cub, you cannot select or change the left digit on the transponder while in "avionics" view. It is working while in the "front seat" view. Can anyone confirm?

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Welcome to the world of Dovetail products. 

 

:rolleyes:  Please spare us of your helpful contributions to this discussion. 

 

That being said, as was previously suggested in this thread, I had no problem setting up my MFG Crosswind pedals. I just assigned the toe brakes and then reversed the axis and it worked just fine. My Saitek pedals worked without this reverse step, but give it a try. 

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I set up my Saitek Pedals, CH throttle, and Logitech 3D Pro with no problems at all. I just go through the control menu, and it's the same process as FSX and P3D.

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I found the controls setup a bit confusing at first (I have separate stick, pedals and throttle like Daniel above). I didn't know at first the drop-down lists would scroll so I was not finding the Axis assignment screen. A quick look at Jordan King's video sorted me out and I also applied, then modified his NVI profile. A few free flights to get my control calibration right and tuning the settings and now it's running like a champ and looks really nice overall. I'll start flying lessons tomorrow.

 

Positives:

  • Ground textures are really good. Very sharp and appealing
  • Aircraft modeling and textures are stellar. The worn and beaten up metal surfaces on the Cub look real!
  • 1-click install was very nice compared to the traditional FSX setup slog
  • TrackIR just worked automatically. Great that support for this was in on day one.
  • Very quick and easy to set up free flight and get in the air

Negatives:

  • Atmospheric scattering effect is way overdone. Does not look natural
  • Looks like same old FSX airport building and surface textures. Could use an update
  • The GPS skin is quite blurry. Looks a lot worse than it does in FSX actually
  • EDIT: Adding that I had to get Jordan King's NVI profile to bring visuals up to snuff, then had to tweak to fix screen tearing in full-screen mode. This should be addressed for newbie simmers to have a good out-of-box experience.

Bugs (all GPS bugs):

  • The GPS is really buggy. I crashed the sim about 4 times this evening while working with the GPS
  • The GPS screen that shows the airport layout is blank. I think I saw other blank info screens too
  • If I pop up the runway list in the airport info the popup goes outside the GPS screen and is clipped by the window!

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Hello Martin

 

Did you guys test this with just a Keyboard and a mouse?

(This is on my laptop, it has a full keyboard with keypad.)

 

I have spent more than an hour trying to steer the plane!

I have tried all keyboard keys, mouse as yoke, etc. I just wont turn.

 

Thank you for your feedback. In order to resolve any issues you have with Flight School more effectively, please contact us via our support network. This enables our specialised support staff to give you a more in-depth response to your query more quickly and accurately than via our social networks and forums. You can contact our support team at dovetailgames.kayako.com

 

- Martin 

Something strange happened to the trim controls in Lesson 2 (UK).

 

Tried it the first time, didn't get it right and failed the lesson.

Tried it the second time and I had no trim control at all. Buttons '7' and '1' had no effect (tried numlock on and off).

 

Will try it again in a while and see if I can repeat the fault.

 

Thank you for your feedback. In order to resolve any issues you have with Flight School more effectively, please contact us via our support network. This enables our specialised support staff to give you a more in-depth response to your query more quickly and accurately than via our social networks and forums. You can contact our support team at dovetailgames.kayako.com

 

- Martin 

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DTG Martin -

In order to resolve any issues you have with Flight School more effectively, please contact us via our support network

Two issues winging their way to your support crew. Thanks. :smile:

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I Update and complete my Buglist here, also sent to DTG Support.

1.Controls
For me the biggest bummer was not being able to setup my controls to get it flying.
I`m not a beginner but i didn`t found the "axes" dropdown and i was overwhelmed after years of FSX absence  by the magnitude of controls... hundreds... and you need maybe 10-20? Some events aren`t even simulated.
So i needed 30 minutes to figure that out, and went flying. Then anoter 20 minutes to fine tune and some extra assignments and to elminate interfering commands that were auto-binded.
In addition the controls setup menu is confusing. Calibrate, calibrate keyboard, i still can`t figure out what this means. The name of the controller is not fully displayed, making it hard to configure the correct one.
For info: I use Logitech Extreme3DPro - Throttle was not binded and i couldn`t find axes dropdown first. Saitek Rudder Pedals -they were binded to aileron,elevator and other stuff, messing other controls up.

2. Graphics
As you may already noticed the graphics are more than outdated. Please improve this. (Aircraft is ok, but scenery/objects and sky/clouds really ugly.)In addition still same issues as FSX and derivates have, autogen popup etc.

3.Trim controls
are not fine enough to adjust. Just SLOW and FAST isn`t good enough to fine tune trim.

4. BRAKES
Brakes indication always showing in left lower corner. Tried to increase deadzone and deleted all assignments for brakes, did not disappear.

5. Radio Panel
Can only adjust last two digits most of the time. The first 3 before the dot only few times if you hit exact the "clickspot"

6. Flight Training Lessons
a)For a real beginner hard to understand. How to read airspeed, compass etc. Looks like Aviation Slang and basic understanding is supposed to be known. (My wife tried it)

b)Approach & Landing Lesson, the headings are screwed, he says 90° but it`s actually 80° and 340° vs 330°.

c)Training Lessons can`t be paused or quit during training.

7. Mouse Look and Mouse controls
Could be made better use of. See MS Flight for example. Works perfect there .

 

8.Cockpit Window looks like dirty, it`s kind of disturbing and doesn`t look good. (See MSFlight for better glazing efffect)

 

9.Shadow on glareshield of PA-18 from 2 diagonal rods look weird. They don`t match with the rods (end to end)

 

10. Aircraft Symbol in GPS is not matching real position and heading which make it hard to navigate.
 

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3.Trim controls
are not fine enough to adjust. Just SLOW and FAST isn`t good enough to fine tune trim.

 

I found that the keyboard trim is much finer adjustment than trimming by joystick button, so I'm using both. Still not as good as FSUIPC though, where you can control trim inputs very precisely.

 

 

 


4. BRAKES
Brakes indication always showing in left lower corner. Tried to increase deadzone and deleted all assignments for brakes, did not disappear.

 

That sounds like you need to invert your brake axes

 

 

The mouse looks seems the same as FSX to me. I'd love to see something like EZCA but built-in to the sim

 

 

 


10. Aircraft Symbol in GPS is not matching real position and heading which make it hard to navigate.

 

There are 2 nav pages on the GPS, one shows correct information, the other is way off. Yes the GPS is riddled with bugs, and it crashes the sim if you mess with it.

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In the VOR Navigation lesson, the instructor makes several references to an autopilot and tells you to use it, but neither default plane in the game has an autopilot!

 

Also, the margins in the Approach and Landing lesson, especially on finals, are way too tight. You get failed for "going too slow" even though you're only SLIGHTLY too slow, and more maddeningly still, the instructor will praise you moments later for being on speed and glideslope just before you get the fail message! At the very least, you should get a warning or two about your speed without being failed instantly. And apart from skewed headings, I reckon the RPM recommendation is slightly off too, and that 1500 or 1600 would be better than 1400.

 

The instructors are very "naggy" in the lessons. They need to give you more time to correct your speed or altitude, rather than constantly telling you to make the desired correction. But at the same time, either the instructors or a written script should warn you if you're on the verge of failing, and why.

 

The ATC and pilot voices in Free Flight sound absolutely dreadful - very robotic and not at all human.

 

Performance is very choppy with anti-aliasing on. It seems to be much smoother when that's turned off.

 

My Logitech Extreme 3D Pro seems to work perfectly with this game though. I was able to manipulate the throttle, rudder pedals and so on with no problems at all, without doing a thing to the settings!

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