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Gday,

 

I am just doing some late night pondering and looking for a good small business jet. I have a few things that I want from it, I want it to be hands on and somewhat old fashioned (none of this G1000 crap) but I also need it to be quite small as I want to try to bring it into small airstrip on Pilot Edge. I also want it to be as realistic as possible. I have come to the conclusion that the FlightSimWare Learjet 35A is my best option... Am I correct on that or is there a better option that fits my needs?

Also I am wondering what weather radar you guys would recommend too as I would want to fully fit it out. I use active sky next but I want a fully functional one unlike the little ASN integration you can do. Do note that I use SE so I don't believe the Reality XP one that is intended will work.

 

Thanks,

 

Leighton

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Flysimware have just announced a new weather radar they will be incorporating . Have a look at the forums

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Sadly I only run steam edition so I am therefore unable to run that Learjet 24B although it is a really nice aircraft indeed.

And I will have a look both at FlightSimWare's radar and Roland's.

 

Cheers

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No working weather radar but would you consider a twin engined turboprop which is almost fast enough to be classed as a small bizjet?

 

The Piaggio Avanti, specifically Mario Noriega's freeware version. I can't comment on payware Avantis, but Mario's is a real gem in my limited experience.

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Sadly I only run steam edition so I am therefore unable to run that Learjet 24B although it is a really nice aircraft indeed.

 

The installer lists FSX-SE as an option, but only under DX9 which is what SE runs under unless you are using the Fixer

 

Lear24b_installer.jpg

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I think that the Carenado Cessna Citation might be worth a look

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Try the Carenado Cessna CJ2, small, classic panel, long range, nice interior, etc basically what you asked lol


also the Carenado Mustang Cessna, a little bigger than the CJ2 but similar inside.

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Duhh, sorry mind blank there. I will for sure look into it then mate ;)

 

I think that the Carenado Cessna Citation might be worth a look

Just a little bit newer than what I was looking for mate ;) Nice aircraft but I am looking for pretty much all steam gauges.

 

Try the Carenado Cessna CJ2, small, classic panel, long range, nice interior, etc basically what you asked lol

also the Carenado Mustang Cessna, a little bigger than the CJ2 but similar inside.

I like the aircraft and I may look into it in the future but last reply pretty much fits this one too, as a matter of fact I believe it is the same aircraft ;)

 

Thanks guys

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I have not come across any FSX/P3D weather radar systems that operates like a real weather radar system. All of the FS radars give you this fake top down view and do not take into consideration attenuation or the cone effect of the radar beam at distance. Tilt management is also very poorly done in most simulations as is ground clutter. I have also not seen any good implementations of a  Rain Attenuation Compensation, turbulence, or strike modes. 

 

The worse of FS radars give you basically a down linked sat view of colored clouds, while better versions try to take into consideration condensation. 

 

I'd recommend saving your money in this area. I don't think any of the software programmers really understand how an aircraft mounted weather radar actually works. Besides, unlike the real world where the same weather is happening for everyone, in a FS environment your view of convective activity will be different then someone else view. Even if you are using the same weather engine, how clouds and condensation is simulated will be different. 

 

I teach weather radar and radar image interpretation to pilots and have thousands of hours of staring at aircraft weather radar returns. 

 

I have not used the new REX Weather Radar Advantage, because what I have seen, in their screen shots (a very hazardous return with a second very hazardous return right behind it) makes me question their claims of accurate attenuation and realistic tilt management. Not worth $30 to me to find out their marketing team has overstated the capabilities of their software.  

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I have the Learjet 35A and it's my favorite of the small jets. I also prefer steam gauges. Really, there's nothing in this category that I'd call great(that I've seen so far). The Carenado Phenom 300 is pretty good and probably my 2nd favorite, but it's very modern.

 

-Brendan

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These days if you are not RVSM certified then most companies don't want the jet. You either get stuck below FL290 or have to make the non-stop climb above FL410. Many of the older light jets the 40s were only doable with a light load on a cool day. If you are going to be stuck in the upper 20s you might as well own a fast turboprop and if you are going to be in the 40s it might as well be a modern bizjet. 

 

Even when you do find these dinosaurs many have been modified. Finding steam bizjets in the wild is a rare find these day, unless you are searching in a museum. Yes, I started flying steam and still know a few old guys who think "you can't trust them black boxes." Times have changed.

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You mention "old fashioned" so this won't tick that box, but I strongly recommend Eaglesoft's Cessna Citation X. It runs beautifully on FSX:SE on Windows 10 and for the amount of detail going on in the cockpit it hardly has any impact on framerate. A good option if your PC isn't top notch.

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... FSX:SE on Windows 10 ...

 

Wouldn't recommend it. Some are very successful other not so much. Seems there is a variation in W10 installs driving the poor developers mad... Possibly the whole OS in progress thing?!?

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Wouldn't recommend it. Some are very successful other not so much. Seems there is a variation in W10 installs driving the poor developers mad... Possibly the whole OS in progress thing?!?

Either way, Eaglesoft have officially said that they now support all Windows 10 installations.

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 Yes, I started flying steam and still know a few old guys who think "you can't trust them black boxes." Times have changed.

Speaking purely as a FSer, I prefer the analog gauges because you can monitor them with your peripheral vision.  With various glass panels, you have to look, usually quite closely, to extract information.

 

And in terms of an analog bizjet, I holding off until early July for a Flysimware Lear 25.  Last year they had a 50% off sale for the 4th of July - that would be from $42 to $ 21. Analog (which I like), F1 GTN implemented, the new Milviz-Rex WX implementation promised and quite a bit of detail.  There is no FMS, which at my level of skill is actually a good thing.  There are addon, ever freeware FMS addons available for me when I want to up my game later.  There is one other that I was interested in, but the support offered by that company has made the idea of buying from them again seen risky if something were needed.

 

Just for your information a review ; http://www.avsim.com/index.php/_/reviews/aircraft/review-learjet-35a-by-flysimware-for-fsxp3d-r3425.

There is also a recently released 'immersion effects' addon, that adds some external stuff like contrails, jet wash etc.  https://fsfxpackages.com/en/Lear35Immersion/

 

Best of luck

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Like any skill learning to scan a glass display take practice. The same information is available and often in greater detail. I am a huge supporter of primary and supporting instruments and teach looking for the right information on glass at the right time. I find that I am a much more accurate pilot flying glass then I was was flying steam. 

 

The problem with FS is you are trying to fit a panel that is ~5' across on to the space of a 20 something monitor. Our King Air CBT fits onto 3 x 27" monitors for the main panel, and three more 27" monitors for lower and overhead pedestals to give a 1:1 perspective. That is just the switches, buttons and glass and does not even count outside view. Now think about the average FS system with one or maybe two monitor(s). 

 

The great thing about FS is who cares what you do. You can fly anything anywhere and no virtual FAA is going to violate you.  :wink: The Lear is a darn good example of early era jet aviation and a hoot to fly (as long as I don't have to pay the virtual fuel bill.) 

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No working weather radar but would you consider a twin engined turboprop which is almost fast enough to be classed as a small bizjet?

 

The Piaggio Avanti, specifically Mario Noriega's freeware version. I can't comment on payware Avantis, but Mario's is a real gem in my limited experience.

Don't know how realistically it's modeled in FS, but in real life the Avanti is renowned for being a runway hog. Not exactly suitable for short runways.

Try the Carenado Cessna CJ2, small, classic panel, long range, nice interior, etc basically what you asked lol

also the Carenado Mustang Cessna, a little bigger than the CJ2 but similar inside.

I think he's looking for something that predates the Pro Line 21. 

I'm not an Eaglesoft fan, but their circa 1985 Citation II has conventional gauges with the exception of a Sandel ADI and HSI. This would come closer to meeting the short runway requirement than the 20/30 series Lears.

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It does really seem as though there isn't much on the market. I have just tried both the Lion Heart LJ24B and the FlightSimWare LJ35A but I am not really happy with them. I may need to broaden my search by the look of it. Ill take a look at some of those planes that you guys have suggested. 

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You really want to go old school a Lockheed Jetstar would be it. However, I don't think any commercial developer has ever tried to tackle that aircraft. The Saberliner would be second having flown a year later in 1958.

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It does really seem as though there isn't much on the market. I have just tried both the Lion Heart LJ24B and the FlightSimWare LJ35A but I am not really happy with them. I may need to broaden my search by the look of it.

 

There is nothing more available in good old school jets, so unless you look towards a different flight simulator you are out of luck.

What exactly is it that disappoints you with the Lionheart and Flysimware products ?

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Textures aren't that great - but yeah, with the GTN 750 the FSW LJ looks pretty good.

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