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FPS improvement going from i7 2600 to i7 6700k

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Hello! This is my first post here at AVSIM, so sorry if I shouldn't post this in this thread, feel free to remove it if necessary. 

 

I am using P3D v3.2 right now, but with my current rig (i7 2600 3,4 GHz, GTX 960, 8 GB RAM) I'm struggling to even get 20 FPS inside clouds and in big airports with payware aircraft. I also get tons of blurries and microstutters. 

 

I've been planning on  upgrading my PC since some time, and I finally think it's time to do so. My question is, would I manage to get 30 FPS in let's say, Aerosoft Madrid using an i7 6700k and a GTX 980? 

 

Is this PC (http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/pc-gaming-lenovo-ideacentre-y900-34isz-1317733) overpriced? Would I be better off building it by myself? 

 

Thanks!

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My opinion, don't buy pre build computers, buy your own components and build your self.

 

Just saved you some money and got a high end PC :)

https://postimg.org/image/y30105yrr/

 

You can go with lower PSU (I put the 860W but you can use 600 for a single GPU)

Wait a little bit for the custom PCB GTX 1080 releases.

 

But you can see, I only choose high end components and got under 2k

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The OP was asking about real improvement for the HW investment.  I am interested as well, I have an i7-2700K OC to 4.8 ghz and a GTX980.  Right now I managed to have 20 FPS but the microstutters are still there, and I still see them in YouTube videos from people with better HW.

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Use Cinebench for single core benchmark, and check the performance of other CPUs.

 

What mostly matter on P3D is single core performance.

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As others have said, I would build your own computer, but get a 980ti.

 

In regards to your question, I would certainly think you should be able to obtain 30 fps.  I built my computer a couple of years ago using a 4770K which is overclocked to 4.5 gz  and a 980ti.  I can obtain 30fps with a large amount of 3rd party add-ons such as PMDG 777,737, and most sliders maxed.  You still may have to compromise your settings somewhere whether it's ai traffic or clouds etc.

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A few days ago, Nvidia slashed prices on the higher end GTX 900 series GPUs. 

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Hello! This is my first post here at AVSIM, so sorry if I shouldn't post this in this thread, feel free to remove it if necessary. 

 

I am using P3D v3.2 right now, but with my current rig (i7 2600 3,4 GHz, GTX 960, 8 GB RAM) I'm struggling to even get 20 FPS inside clouds and in big airports with payware aircraft. I also get tons of blurries and microstutters. 

 

I've been planning on  upgrading my PC since some time, and I finally think it's time to do so. My question is, would I manage to get 30 FPS in let's say, Aerosoft Madrid using an i7 6700k and a GTX 980? 

 

Is this PC (http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/pc-gaming-lenovo-ideacentre-y900-34isz-1317733) overpriced? Would I be better off building it by myself? 

 

Thanks!

I've been saying this a whole lot of times here at AVSIM but updating your computer to the latest and greatest won't necessarily give you joy.  That's the major problem I am seeing with crashes and freezes.  Individuals go out and buy the latest and greatest hardware that is overclocked to the max and think they can now set all of their settings at the max and P3D (or FSX) will work perfectly and you'll be able to see people on top of buildings waving at you as you fly over, etc., etc.  That's not the case  Back when FSX was first released, we had issues getting 15 fps and anyone who got to 20 was like a computer genius (now, with the default setup of FSX, I can get nearly 300 fps; I have never tested P3Dv3 with the default settings and no addons but figure the fps are probably very high).  I currently have my fps set at 30 and get pretty smooth flying with excellent rendering and textures.  When Sandy Bridge was released (your system), things got much, much better with FSX and P3D BUT what has happened is the add-on developers have added more eye-candy or more things to their "old" scenery or aircraft and they are now eating up your resources.  Some of the add-ons allow you to modify them to turn off some of the eye-candy but you will still get reduced fps from those back in the days of FSX.  So, you have to keep the p3d.cfg settings set to a modest level as well as any display driver settings.  Depending on the scenario, you may have to reduce them even more.  If you are trying to fly the PMDG 777 in ASN heavy weather using REX Textures or Orbx products, you'll be lucky to finish a 2 hour flight with all of your settings at the max or near the max.  Stuttering and the blurries are caused by high settings or a not very powerful system (and you have a good system with the i7 2600K).  MSAA is the major offender in P3D.  Anything above 2 is hard on the system but it reduces shimmering and so you have to have it.  At 4x's it should totally eliminate shimmering but it will be hard on FPS and performance.  But I digress....

 

Take a look at the following topic in the Hardware Forum and you will see how difficult it is to set up a powerful system and still be satisfied with the results - http://www.avsim.com/topic/489489-just-ordered-the-following-for-p3d33/.  I do not think there is anything out there more powerful than his system and his setup.  When you pay over $1700 for the latest and greatest i7 CPU and still have issues with stuttering and other anomalies in P3D, then you have to wonder when you get that i7 6700K if you max everything out.  He also sets his fps limiter to 35! 

 

Just my two-cents worth.

 

Best regards,

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Take a look at the following topic in the Hardware Forum and you will see how difficult it is to set up a powerful system and still be satisfied with the results - http://www.avsim.com/topic/489489-just-ordered-the-following-for-p3d33/.  I do not think there is anything out there more powerful than his system and his setup.  When you pay over $1700 for the latest and greatest i7 CPU and still have issues with stuttering and other anomalies in P3D, then you have to wonder when you get that i7 6700K if you max everything out.  He also sets his fps limiter to 35

 

Just my two-cents worth.

 

Best regards,

 

He never got far enough with that build to run P3D did he?

 

 

I ask because Ive been following that thread to see what that processor will do in the sim. Just making sure I didnt miss something.  :smile:

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Forget about the 980/980ti and go with current tech, get yourself a GTX1070 if you can, faster then a Titan X.

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I upgraded from that exact CPU to the i6700k. You can already work out whether you will get the extra 10 fps now. Put P3D in a window and reduce the window size down while watching FPS. Does the FPS increase 10 in a quarter size window? If so, you are GPU limited and just need better GPU. If not you are CPU limited. Could be a mix of both.

 

Let's say you are currently CPU limited.To go from 20 to 30 fps is 50% increase.

You are currently on 3.4GHZ right? You could overclock to 4.6 without a problem. That will give you 35% increase in FPS right there.

The other 15% would have to come from a GPU upgrade to a 1070 or 1080. If there is any short fall, you could make it up with modifying settings/tweaking.

 

I can't tell you about major airports like that because I fly mainly VFR. The CPU upgrade from 4.2GHZ to i6700k 4.7GHZ produced a very noticeable improvement in performance and overall smoothness but remember that it is not a miracle increase either and I still have microstutter issues.

 

If you have the money (aren't financially stressed), go for an i6700k build and a GTX1070 or 80. You will have a good possible chance of hitting 30fps if you get your settings right.

 

EDIT: What ever computer you decide on, make sure that the CPU cooler is capable of safe overclocking.

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I thought he had as he was showing the specs on the CPU-Z specs of his $1700 plus CPU on page 3, post #40 - http://www.avsim.com/topic/489489-just-ordered-the-following-for-p3d33/page-3

The way I understood the thread post 42 he never got past windows installation and gave up. I believe he sent everything to Jetline for them to finish it up. Either way Id sure love to see some results from broadwell as far as p3d goes.

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I upgraded from that exact CPU to the i6700k. You can already work out whether you will get the extra 10 fps now. Put P3D in a window and reduce the window size down while watching FPS. Does the FPS increase 10 in a quarter size window? If so, you are GPU limited and just need better GPU. If not you are CPU limited. Could be a mix of both.

Let's say you are currently CPU limited.To go from 20 to 30 fps is 50% increase.

You are currently on 3.4GHZ right? You could overclock to 4.6 without a problem. That will give you 35% increase in FPS right there.

The other 15% would have to come from a GPU upgrade to a 1070 or 1080. If there is any short fall, you could make it up with modifying settings/tweaking.

I can't tell you about major airports like that because I fly mainly VFR. The CPU upgrade from 4.2GHZ to i6700k 4.7GHZ produced a very noticeable improvement in performance and overall smoothness but remember that it is not a miracle increase either and I still have microstutter issues.

If you have the money (aren't financially stressed), go for an i6700k build and a GTX1070 or 80. You will have a good possible chance of hitting 30fps if you get your settings right.

EDIT: What ever computer you decide on, make sure that the CPU cooler is capable of safe overclocking.

The thing is my current CPU cannot be overclocked, it's a non-K version, as my PC is basically an HP prebuilt computer, the case is way too small to fit more cooling and even a bigger GPU, so I just decided to build a new one.

 

 

 

 

To everyone else, thanks for your advice! I'll see if I can manage to get a GTX 1070/80.

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To everyone else, thanks for your advice! I'll see if I can manage to get a GTX 1070/80.

 

Unless you upgrade the CPU, I worry you will not achieve your 30fps goal and have spent money for nothing!

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Unless you upgrade the CPU, I worry you will not achieve your 30fps goal and have spent money for nothing!

That's what I said in the first post, I'm looking to build a rig with an i7 6700k or 4790k.

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Hello again.

 

This time I'd like to ask if a build like the one listed below would work for P3D. 

 

Thanks.

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Hello again.

 

This time I'd like to ask if a build like the one listed below would work for P3D. 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Video Card?

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Hello again.

 

This time I'd like to ask if a build like the one listed below would work for P3D. 

 

Thanks.

 

 

Video card is missing and please make sure that those 16GB RAM are coming in a 2x8GB setup, as you should profit from Dual Channel. Besides this, the setup seems to be ok, I personally would use a smaller SSD for the OS only along with a SSD dedicated to the sim only including the 4TB backup hdd. But that is my personal preference...

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It's a never ending battle for frame rate vs visuals. Old crappy computers can run a sim fast with the sliders on ugly.

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A lot of replies in the two big sim forums give advice to build your own rig - not everyone out there has the knack to build their own rig - especially someone not that familiar with installing very pricey electronics  (one spark of static electricity can fry a bunch of delicate circuitry).  It requires watching a lot of UTube videos, a very cool hand, and a logical mind.

 

I've dabbled with the innards of a lot PC's over the years - even recently installed and cloned a second SSD card on my new gaming rig (via UTube), incurring lot of forehead sweat - But for sure, I  paid a lot extra to have someone else to properly put the rest of it together.

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Take a look at the following topic in the Hardware Forum and you will see how difficult it is to set up a powerful system and still be satisfied with the results - http://www.avsim.com/topic/489489-just-ordered-the-following-for-p3d33/.  I do not think there is anything out there more powerful than his system and his setup.  When you pay over $1700 for the latest and greatest i7 CPU and still have issues with stuttering and other anomalies in P3D, then you have to wonder when you get that i7 6700K if you max everything out.  He also sets his fps limiter to 35! 

 

Just my two-cents worth.

 

Best regards,

 

 

Actually it's not that difficult to set up a powerful system and still be satisfied with the results. I've done it numerous times and there's nothing special about me. Forums are replete with success stories. Those that have self built Skylake on this very forum have been delighted with their choice.

 

In regard to your link, it's not a good example, the OP's issue was bad choices. His RAM was optimised for Skylake. Z170 RAM is notoriously difficult to configure for Broadwell E. Lack of research was the issue. For example opting for an NH-D15, despite the fact that he wasn't overclocking. And having to mount his cooler the wrong way round, despite the fact that the high compatibility NH-D15S was available.

 

You are right in that Broadwell E is powerful... in multi-threaded applications. [skylake eclipses it in games]  Whether that translates to a worthwhile performance improvement in P3D that justifies the ridiculous price of the CPU remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt it. So we shouldn't assume that he had the best option for the intended use.

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