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Is EMT (ver. 3.2.0.1011) still valid with P3D v3.3.5?

I´m asking here because their forum is down some time now and they don´t answer support tickets anymore. I´m trying to know this before installing EMT. Any hint would be great.

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I've used it with 3.3, but not had to use it with 3.35 as of yet. I don't see any harm in you're trying it though, shouldn't hurt anything.

 

Best wishes.

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I was a little afraid to use it in the new P3D version. But i think ill giive a try. Thanks Dave!

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I'd advise AGAINST using the tool. Rather install applications with a dedicated P3D installer, your guarantee of compatibility. Maybe P3D v1 & v2 wouldn't give issues,  but P3D v3 is becoming far removed from FSX in terms of installation paths and installing non-compatible applications will only lead to distress and frustration! I think the tool has had it's time..

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Certainly using installers built specifically for P3DV3 is the best way to go, however developers have been slow to add this capability to software which would otherwise work in P3D.  Where developers have upgraded software and are charging addition fees for those upgrades, using the tool to at least test older software in P3D is a cost consideration.

 

I'm sure there will come a day where we don't need the Migration Tool, and of course it's always better to use a P3DV3 installer, but sometimes there is a need to install software which does not have a P3DV3 installer and that is what the tool was created for. 

 

 

Best wishes to all.

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Certainly using installers built specifically for P3DV3 is the best way to go, however developers have been slow to add this capability to software which would otherwise work in P3D.  Where developers have upgraded software and are charging addition fees for those upgrades, using the tool to at least test older software in P3D is a cost consideration.

 

I'm sure there will come a day where we don't need the Migration Tool, and of course it's always better to use a P3DV3 installer, but sometimes there is a need to install software which does not have a P3DV3 installer and that is what the tool was created for. 

 

 

Best wishes to all.

Yes, I fully understand your point...It's just that I'm very protective over my beloved P3D... :smile: . And I just believe that P3D v3 has moved on..and unfortunately some software will fall behind the times...The point is, I would never know whether such software would work in P3D unless i tried (with the migration tool) and personally, I wouldn't like take that chance now...I still have the migration tool and used it with P3D v1...., but then P3D was basically "FSX reworded" at that time...

 

Regards..

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I've used it with UT2 and a few older FSX aircraft that don't have P3D 3.35 Installers yet without any issues. But Instant Scenery 3 doesn't seem to be compatible with 3.3 right now even with MT.

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I'm amazed at the negative attitude to the migration tool that I often read here and elsewhere. Given that we've spent the whole of the past decade using oddball tweaks in an often fruitless effort to get our sim running smoothly when fully loaded with addons, why not use this excellent utility to wedge old add ons into P3D and actually get some decent use and performance out of them, rather than mothballing them and simply reflecting on the usually unsuccessful 10 year fight we all endured with FSX.

 

One major addon supplier I could mention is SO far behind with P3D updates that I wonder if they'll ever catch up, that's if they are even trying to. In those circumstances the migration tool is indispensable.

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It's not the negative attitude towards the tool itself. It's just that IF something does go wrong, it can be disastrous. I've had to repair several systems where the ultimate cause was a problem with the EMT. Whether is was user error or program error the fact remains that the possibility still exists of trashing your system IF something goes wrong.

 

If you are comfortable with that, and many people are, then go for it. Just be aware of the possibilities.

 

Vic

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It's not the negative attitude towards the tool itself. It's just that IF something does go wrong, it can be disastrous. I've had to repair several systems where the ultimate cause was a problem with the EMT. Whether is was user error or program error the fact remains that the possibility still exists of trashing your system IF something goes wrong.

 

If you are comfortable with that, and many people are, then go for it. Just be aware of the possibilities.

 

Vic

Exactly....it was a great tool..used it a lot in earlier versions of P3D..not being negative..just being cautious now with P3D v3 with it's new file structure and only making use of dedicated installers..The originator of the topic is specifically referring the P3D v3.

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Yes, i need to use it to install A LOT of addons (Mainly scenerys) that don´t have p3d installers and work perfectly in p3d v3.2. Of course, all the addons that has a dedicated p3d installers, i will use them. I installed a fresh v.3.3 version and asked if someone had a previous experience with it. After all that´s the main purpose of the forums. But i like the tool and i think i´ll continue to use it for a long time, at least until it works. My only situation with this tool right now is the lack of support from the developers that seems to had vanished from earth.

 

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Wow, the timing was amazing! Just after replying this tread i finally recieved a reply from the developers:

 

 

Hello,
 
Yes, Migration Tool v 3.2.0.1011 supports Prepar3D v3.3.5. Last spring we implemented changes in program code that do not require the program to be updated after each update to Prepar3D.
 
Support forum will be back by the end of this week.
 
 
Best regards,
 
Paavo Pihelgas

 

So, it´s ok to use it still! Thanks for all the messages!

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I use the migration tool to install several dozen of my favorite FSX planes and sceneries into P3D v3.35 without a single hitch. 

 

"Knock on wood"!

 

Perhaps there are some scenarios that it will not work upon, but if so, I have not tried installing such yet.   

 

That has been my experience so far.

 

Kind regards,

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I had a serious issue caused by the tool which required a full reinstall of P3D some time back, having said that I have used it successfully on a few occasions on v3.3.5 without any problems, mind you I always uninstall it after each use. Still touching wood.......

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EMT doesn't always work, though.  I used it yesterday to install Tongass Fjords (and still had to relocate the terrain.cfg to the correct folder), and several older aircraft without current installers.  It worked on some (Classics Hangar Taifun, Aerosoft Mitchell Wing), but not on others that really should work (Aerosoft Wilga and Huey for instance).  

 

I'm able to install most aircraft without current v3 installers without using EMT, just pointing them in the right direction.  I prefer this method where it works (as it does for all RealAir and Sibwings aircraft).  

 

Scare posts about the tool messing up one's "system" and being outdated seem more partisan that informative.  I suppose you could mess up your sim install, but I find it hard to imagine how using the tool would harm your "system," if that means your OS and other software.  

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A backup at the appropriate time solves most issues I have found.  Regards.

 

M.

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EMT is a potential license violator... why is it allowed to be discussed?

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Scare posts about the tool messing up one's "system" and being outdated seem more partisan that informative.  I suppose you could mess up your sim install, but I find it hard to imagine how using the tool would harm your "system," if that means your OS and other software.  

 

Hopefully you will not find out how it can happen but it can and has happened. You are looking at a tool that fools the OS and programs into thinking that something is in a location that it is not. One glitch and files get written in places they do not belong opening possibilities for program AND OS corruption.

 

Nothing partisan here - just a caution - but I enjoy making $$$ fixing other people's mistakes.

 

And for the record, all the EMT tool is is a wrapper around the command line MKLNK tool in Windows. Like some other Windows cmd line tools, if they are incorrectly used they can trash your system. I'd give the same caution if someone was talking about the MKLNK program.

 

As I said, most of the time it works but if it doesn't......

 

Vic

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Just did my first 5 instalations without issues using the tool. I saw that in some cases, corrections are necessary like editing dll.xml, puting some file inside some folder, etc. Nothing that can´t be dealed by hand. The results compensates the work envolved, i think. That tool is a real help, most different from some arcaic addons from some developers still available in the market.

Anyway, question answered. Thanks everyone.

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Just did my first 5 instalations without issues using the tool. I saw that in some cases, corrections are necessary like editing dll.xml, puting some file inside some folder, etc. Nothing that can´t be dealed by hand. The results compensates the work envolved, i think. That tool is a real help, most different from some arcaic addons from some developers still available in the market.

Anyway, question answered. Thanks everyone.

 

If you consider that the new P3D file structure can make some add-on installations write into different locations of dll.xml and exe.xml, depending on specific considerations of the developer or the lack thereof, the use of this tool may result in unwanted complications related to order of entries and their locations, as an example. More about it here:

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/490647-exexml-and-dllxml-in-different-folders-in-p3dv335/

 

Dirk.

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Thanks! Any info to operate the tool properly is welcome. I´ll read the topic.

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What I'm trying to say, as an example only, is that EMT can make unwanted choices handling dll.xml and exe.xml in different locations under the new structure. EMT can't know all choices made by other developers placing their exe.xml and dll.xml entries in different locations. There may be discrepancies, possibility, init?

 

Dirk.

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Seems to me EMT is good for add-ons that are not specifically for P3D. I've installed a load of stuff not converted to P3D with issue. :EDIT.....as yet!  :smile: 

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Seems to me EMT is good for add-ons that are not specifically for P3D

 

Hey Ron,

 

That just confused the heck out of me.  Isn't the EMT specifically for products that lack P3D installers?  What else might it be good for?

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Another voice here for the migration tool crashing P3dV3.2

 

Had to reinstall P3D from scratch and with ONLY the migration tool installed, it crashed P3D on every start up. Submitted a ticket to the developers months ago and never heard anything. It is at best a well packaged hack with no support.

 

If you have had good luck with it, so be it. But do not discount those of us who have VERY clean systems that have had ugly and painful results.

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