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Plans for a NGX "Pro" version?

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I think it would be great if we could have a "pro" version of the NGX... The question is: are there plans to build one in the future?

 

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The question is: are there plans to build one in the future?

 

I think a more immediate question would be "what exactly is a pro version?"

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I think a more immediate question would be "what exactly is a pro version?"

A version which incorporates all developments made by PMDG since 2011 plus: more failures like for example "tire burst on take off or landing", "tails strike and it's consequences", "bird strike", hot start, wet start etc, possibility to detect failures on the "preflight" or "cockpit preparation", some mantainance requests, light bulbs failures, "walk around" checks, some level of circuit breakers simulation, maybe windshield "blur" caused by rain, "damage report" after a flight, CFM56-7B27 engines  etc...

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I think a more immediate question would be "what exactly is a pro version?"

Years ago I thought it was mentioned that the ER versions of the 900/700 would be made. If correct, is this still on the planning board?

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I also vaguely (I could be wrong) that after the ER variants and BBJs the shared cockpit would rollout. At this point however, I just want that 74!  :Big Grin:

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Sounds like a wish list, not sure how that makes it a pro version.

The 777 does have tail strike consequences, and tires that go flat after a RTO at V1 with heavy load because the fuse plugs melt.  Not sure some of the items on that list are even possible like blown tire during taxi, given the platforms we have to work with.

The circuit breaker idea has been tossed around before, we already have very realistic electrical (everything is powered in the sim same as real, same bus etc) but in general pilots never touch a blown breaker.

 

The reason this is called a full study simulation is because if you are a B737 line pilot you can use the failures in this product to study for your biannual simulator check ride. That's "pro" version in my book.

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Sounds like a wish list, not sure how that makes it a pro version.

The 777 does have tail strike consequences, and tires that go flat after a RTO at V1 with heavy load because the fuse plugs melt.  Not sure some of the items on that list are even possible like blown tire during taxi, given the platforms we have to work with.

The circuit breaker idea has been tossed around before, we already have very realistic electrical (everything is powered in the sim same as real, same bus etc) but in general pilots never touch a blown breaker.

 

The reason this is called a full study simulation is because if you are a B737 line pilot you can use the failures in this product to study for your biannual simulator check ride. That's "pro" version in my book.

The closer to reality as possible... Yes, the "pro" version could be used to prepar for a "simulator check ride" or for a "jet training course"... and would get closer to the "certification" of the NGX as a training tool... About the "circuit breakers", I think not all circuit breakers need to be simulated, just some that are checked during the preflight...

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Except for the certification, it is already used that way... as noted in my last sentence.

 

What's required for certification is more hardware, at least in the US the FAA has specific requirements for computer based simulators to be used to log time.  The PMDG product in itself is up to that level, add a few items from the cockpit and you are there.

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The closer to reality as possible... Yes, the "pro" version could be used to prepar for a "simulator check ride" or for a "jet training course"... and would get closer to the "certification" of the NGX as a training tool... About the "circuit breakers", I think not all circuit breakers need to be simulated, just some that are checked during the preflight...

what CBs should be checked during a preflight? In reality, all should and most likely will based on SOPs. The whole point of checking CBs on a preflight is to make sure none have tripped. The ones that are tripped, have been collared and been collared for specific reasons...usually for MEL reasons.
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i would pay $5 for a way to more quickly rotate the knob used for setting minimums

 

 

 

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-andy crosby

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what CBs should be checked during a preflight? In reality, all should and most likely will based on SOPs. The whole point of checking CBs on a preflight is to make sure none have tripped. The ones that are tripped, have been collared and been collared for specific reasons...usually for MEL reasons.

You should be right... Something that makes preflight less interesting is knowing beforehand that there will be no failures, no malfunctions, no tripped CBs during the preflight check...

 

We hear that "wet starts, hot starts etc" are impossible in the new 737 NGs, because the FADEC would automatically turn off the engines in case of malfunction, but any pilot still has to closely monitor the start of the engines... Seems like the FADEC is not 100% trustworthy...

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You should be right... Something that makes preflight less interesting is knowing beforehand that there will be no failures, no malfunctions, no tripped CBs during the preflight check...

 

We hear that "wet starts, hot starts etc" are impossible in the new 737 NGs, because the FADEC would automatically turn off the engines in case of malfunction, but any pilot still has to closely monitor the start of the engines... Seems like the FADEC is not 100% trustworthy...

it would be pretty darn cool to have the CBs modeled in thar fashion along with a random MEL generator of sorts.

 

Example,

 

Start up the Sim, if you want something written up, have the option to randomly generate a deferred item. Like say the apu, or left pack or something.

 

Or have the option like service based failures to where it randomly assigns a deferral or maybe it doesn't and you have a good plane that day.

 

It's a little more immersion than just hand picking a failure in the fms.

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i would pay $5 for a way to more quickly rotate the knob used for setting minimums

 

I'd pay $20 and buy the developers a drink for a fix for that!!!!

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A version which incorporates all developments made by PMDG since 2011 plus: more failures like for example "tire burst on take off or landing", "tails strike and it's consequences", "bird strike", hot start, wet start etc, possibility to detect failures on the "preflight" or "cockpit preparation", some mantainance requests, light bulbs failures, "walk around" checks, some level of circuit breakers simulation, maybe windshield "blur" caused by rain, "damage report" after a flight, CFM56-7B27 engines  etc...

You forgot a fully-functional coffee machine, realistic toilet, and IFE with 150+ movies.

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i would pay $5 for a way to more quickly rotate the knob used for setting minimums
 

I'd pay $20 and buy the developers a drink for a fix for that!!!!

I was landing at SKBO the other day... I lined up the cursor on the knob, and then flipped my mouse over and rolled the scroll wheel on my desk three feet at a time.

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The closer to reality as possible... Yes, the "pro" version could be used to prepar for a "simulator check ride" or for a "jet training course"... and would get closer to the "certification" of the NGX as a training tool... About the "circuit breakers", I think not all circuit breakers need to be simulated, just some that are checked during the preflight...

Unless you are an actual pilot or are training to be one, no degree of PC simulation is going to actually make you one - or convince anyone else that you are one. I'm not sure what the 'added value' is going to be. 'Entertainment', 'Pro' - the net result is the same.

 

It has already been noted that circuit breaker animation eats VAS, so that's a no-go for a start.

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It's Pro enough already, all I want is a shared cockpit! Interface handled the same as the Majestic Q400.

That is all, back to work now....

 

Ben

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i would pay $5 for a way to more quickly rotate the knob used for setting minimums

 

 

 

cheers

-andy crosby

I have the Logitech G700s mouse. It has a button that disengages the rachet (or whatever you call it) on the mouse wheel. I can just flick the mouse wheel and it will spin and spin. It works very well in setting minimums.They may also have other mice that have that feature. 

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it would be pretty darn cool to have the CBs modeled in thar fashion along with a random MEL generator of sorts.

 

Example,

 

Start up the Sim, if you want something written up, have the option to randomly generate a deferred item. Like say the apu, or left pack or something.

 

Or have the option like service based failures to where it randomly assigns a deferral or maybe it doesn't and you have a good plane that day.

 

It's a little more immersion than just hand picking a failure in the fms.

 

Don't we already have random failures with the NGX?

 

You can set any number of random failures per x hours. Isn't that what you are asking here?

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Don't we already have random failures with the NGX?

 

You can set any number of random failures per x hours. Isn't that what you are asking here?

failures aren't necessarily the same thing. That works for in flight stuff or as they happen.

 

However, deferrals actually mean you will use the MEL. they determine if there's any operational considerations for planning. In flight stuff or stuff that happens after block out will only require the qrh, not the mel.

 

Getting to an airplane and seeing things written up is completely different than things happening as they happen.

 

Make sense? Don't know if I made that clear enough.

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I never got a malfunction during the preflight check in the NGX, although as a passenger I (and other 100 or so passengers) had to "deplane" a 737 NG because of a malfuncion noticed during the preflight check... 

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I thought hot starts were already possible if you add fuel too early.  Personally I just want to see the VC geometry fixed.

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They talked about a new version for cockpit builders at Flightsimcon last year but so far no further info is forthcoming. Wondering if this idea and the sim center thing was scrapped?

 

This would be a Pro edition IMO  as being able to offload some of the cockpit load onto other PC's would be nice.

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