Sign in to follow this  
Guest

What to do when you get a bad addon

Recommended Posts

Okay, I am not saying a BAD add-on in terms of quality or realism, I mean if your computer is seemingly "incompatible" with this add-on like there are so many bugs or problems you run into its not fun to fly. I have run into countless problems with the Captain Sim 707. If you look at my profile, I did post quite a bit about it and I felt like there were too many problems to keep posting. When I try to research how to fix these issues I find that almost nobody has the same ones. It's makes me feel bad to not fly this because I know it is a good, realistic representation of the real thing, its just that with my computer, I can't even seem to properly navigate or change my views in the cockpit. I spent 40$ on this airplane and I really want to find a way to use it to is full potential because I did not spend that money on nothing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

Is it really a bad addon or a pilot not willing to read the manual,  learn the systems, and do a lot of practice flights to get it right?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a printed copy of the manual and I have done several flights while exactly following video tutorials, and again I am not saying it is a bad addon I am saying I have a few bugs that are kind of ruining my experience with the airplane. I am not blaming the addon or the creators for the problems I am having, I am just wondering what to do about the many small problems I am having such as: Not being able to do Shift+ Commands, No sounds coming from switches or buttons, INS not aligning even with weather and engines turned off, not being able to turn on autopilot with INS navigation. My main problems are rooted in the INS installation which has taken away some important abilities. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally, I have a few airplanes parked in my hangar that I rarely look at, and may possibly scrap at some point.

 

For that, I also have a few airplanes that I fly a lot and take good care of  :wink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So the ones that you don't really use are payware right? Because I just can't find any solutions to fix the problems to my 707, so I will just keep trying and if I don't prevail, if I can't fly it then I won't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So the ones that you don't really use are payware right? Because I just can't find any solutions to fix the problems to my 707, so I will just keep trying and if I don't prevail, if I can't fly it then I won't.

 

Correct - spent the money - parked the airplane..

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lets face it. With just about all this stuff you basically pays your money and takes your chances. We all get burned from time to time. The best defense I find is stick to reputable quality producers such as PMDG, or A2A, ASN among many others. That's why I spend so much time on AVSIM. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Very true, I should have looked into it more but I was really excited that a 707 sim even existed because I love old jets, I guess I took a chance with this one not knowing how my system would react, but who knows, one day I could get it to work to its full potential, but for now I might just park it for a while until I can figure out how to get up and running. Thanks for your replies!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Very true, I should have looked into it more but I was really excited that a 707 sim even existed because I love old jets, I guess I took a chance with this one not knowing how my system would react, but who knows, one day I could get it to work to its full potential, but for now I might just park it for a while until I can figure out how to get up and running. Thanks for your replies!

Have you tried asking for help on the CaptSim forum?

 

The official one, not the one here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I don't think that you have a "bad addon" problem.

 

From what I gather from your other threads, you may have corrupted your panel.cfg when you tried to install the CIVA INS. Perhaps it would be a good idea to start fresh, which means uninstalling and reinstalling the whole plane (or, if you made a backup copy of the original panel.cfg, try that one)

 

Then enjoy her for a while and try to get to grips with the standard operations. I have had this addon for a long time, and I fly it often, but I have rarely used the Doppler. IIRC it seemed a bit clunky, and I am not sure if it was indeed working correctly. But I seem to remember that it did, after a lot of trial&error.

 

The CIVA INS on the other hand is a complex addon in itself that makes it necessary to really get to grips with the functionality before you can make use of it. On top of that it is a "generic" instrument, made to work with a multitude of aircraft - it is not specifically adapted or taylored to the CS 707.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There are lots of people spent large amount of money buying real airplane, probably fly it for some flights and put it in hangar or ramp for years.

Happen in my home airport right here.

So when we buy addons and we don't use it, sounds like as real as it gets I guess?

 

I know, it's frustrating when we buy something and it doesn't work for us as we expected, I find it more to the "not suitable" side. There are addons which I buy and use, happy with it, only when reading the reviews and comments that I know there are bugs in the product.

 

As long as it doesn't bother me or not affect my flight, I'm ok with it.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fortunately, if the panels and systems of an aircraft add-on are coded in XML, I can just take a metaphorical wrench and make fixes or improvements myself. See the Metroliner or DC-9.

The only bummer is wasteful resource use of the visual model as there's not much you can do other to shrink and compress (some) textures to alleviate that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How difficult would it be to go into the xml files and try to make fixes?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can't think of a "one size fits all" answer, so you may pick.

 

a ) If you have to ask, it's too difficult.

b ) Programming the Apollo Guidance Computer was child's play in comparison.

c ) Harder than trying to understand your significant other.

 

 

Have you tried the CS support forums?

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 


Have you tried the CS support forums?

 

They have closed the forums from what I have heard, no loss if that cowboy outfit has folded their tent and left the business IMHO.

 

I can count on one hand the truly satisfactory FSX/P3D aircraft add-ons that I have out of all the money spent over the years.

It comes down to PMDG and Realair really and the latter has just closed it's doors.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 


They have closed the forums from what I have heard, no loss if that cowboy outfit has folded their tent and left the business IMHO.

 

 

 


I have run into countless problems with the Captain Sim 707. If you look at my profile, I did post quite a bit about it and I felt like there were too many problems to keep posting.

 

Not a big fan of Captain Sim, but I just checked and their support forums, including for the 707, are alive and well.  You need to log in using an order number, and then select "Access to Pilot's Lounge."

 

Mike

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the OP is only concerned with one aircraft being 'wrong', all I can say is he has been very lucky or has not bought many add-ons! I have a shedload of aircraft that I've bought because everyone was waxing lyrical about them, only to find they are dogs! I know, I've been reading the wrong opinions. :smile: A few rules I've applied to myself. Buy only A2A, RealAir(used to be) Flight1 or Milviz. Although it came pretty close with Milviz recently. A got the MB530 helicopter and spent DAYS trying to get it started. I was on the point of ditching it when persistence paid off. :yahoo:Love it now. Flight1 because they have a, I think, unique 30 day refund. I recall very clearly being convinced to buy their King Air. Now there is nothing wrong with it but it was faaar too convoluted for me. Sent it back, got a refund. 

Anyway, interesting thread, which makes a nice change. :smile:

 

 

EDIT: Who am I kidding? I'll very likely buy more dogs in the future.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have found that proper research will seriously reduce your chances of buying an incompatible stinker. It still happens though. I have a "graveyard" folder full of them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Only the brands listed in Ron's posts provide a sure experience.  Othes may, aerosoft stuff designed by aerosoft works well generally though it is not complete but they acknowledge this. Carenado looks great but often has problems when it comes to things like the GPS.  

I do feel a few designers turn out their planes too quickly without bothering to test they release it as a payware product and it is poor, it may be satisfactory for freeware but payware needs more attention.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah I am really thinking about getting the Carenado Citation 525a, from the videos I have seen it looks great but I think I learned a lesson on this 707, I should probably do a bit more research before I get it though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 


Yeah I am really thinking about getting the Carenado Citation 525a

 

Another one that does not work properly, looks great though and flys great until you try the autopilot and realise the FLC is fubar.

This applies to all of the Carenado jets.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah I am really thinking about getting the Carenado Citation 525a, from the videos I have seen it looks great but I think I learned a lesson on this 707, I should probably do a bit more research before I get it though.

 

I've got the Captain Sim B707 and like it.  I've not had any real trouble with it.  For me it is very similar to the Captain Sim B727.  I've found that Captain Sim does a good job with steam gauges.  

 

If you want a good freeware B707, go to HJG.  They have excellent models that fly well and their textures are excellent.  The only drawback is HJG only has 2-D panels. 

 

There are several of us on here who fly the CS B707 without any problems.  If you can't get it going, let us know and we will try to help.  I may be a little slow to respond with holiday commitments.

 

blaustern

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I find that sometimes people forget that a lot of undesirable characteristics are very much deliberately implemented to replicate the real thing's behaviour. Take the autothrottle on a DC-9 for example. Casual pilots may complain that it's unusable in a flight, but on the real thing, it was solely intended to hold V_ref on approach. And even then, it was seldomly used because manual throttle control is much more accurate and quicker. Same for the "speed by pitch" mode. Working, but not perfect at all. Or early autopilots in general, which were nothing more than devices for holding heading and altitude. Or awful altitude performance due to realisitic engine performance envelopes. Or startup procedures that always rely on a external or APU bleed air or a cartridge to get a turbine spinning. Or the tendency of a 727 to fall out of the sky if you don't fly it down to touchdown or...I could go on. Whenenver I did research on a plane, I at least had a "oh dear, the real thing's just that bad!" moment. So to discriminate a "good" addon from a "bad" one, research on the real thing should be the first order of business.

If it turns out to be a glaring bug, it should, of course, be taken to the developer. Same as a large performance impact. But for the rest, googling real pilot opinions and reports shall be the first order of business.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think I've ever bought a bad add-on as such, but I do have some that, while they seemed to tick all the boxes when I was buying them, just didn't gel with me and ended up as hangar queens. Among these would be the Flight Replicas Super Cub, Just Flight Electra 10, and SibWings Bird Dog. I'm not denying the quality, just the "chemistry". My Milviz Baron is also hangar-bound, but that's because it performs badly on my rig. However a new rig wil be arriving this week, and I look forward to stress-testing it with that Baron...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So the ones that you don't really use are payware right? Because I just can't find any solutions to fix the problems to my 707, so I will just keep trying and if I don't prevail, if I can't fly it then I won't.

I have a few aircraft from Wilco that I am willing to part with.  A little dusty, but they run. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this