Honestly, I enjoy the ixeg more than the pmdg 737ng. The pmdg is a more mature product for sure as it came out years ago. With that said, pmdg is 100% welcome and looking forward to them coming over. 

 

Yes I own the IXEG 737 - its very good - kind of got butterfly's in my stomach first flight up - hard to explain had a lot to do with the sounds and the trim sounds I guess - great product - hope for a newer 737 variant but that XP11 default 737 is one pretty sweet ride also   :wink:

If im being honest, the default 737 looks good and is pretty good for a default aircraft. But the sounds are so bad that for me its unusable. 

Yes I own the IXEG 737 - its very good - kind of got butterfly's in my stomach first flight up - hard to explain had a lot to do with the sounds and the trim sounds I guess - great product - hope for a newer 737 variant but that XP11 default 737 is one pretty sweet ride also   :wink:

I'm not anti anything, I could care less what you do with your money, it's just my personal impression, whoever wants to spend money on XPlane please do, your choice, it's good we have several sims to choose from. personally, I'd rather have FSX/P3D , or Aerofly, end of discussion.

 

Your post history speaks for itself.

If im being honest, the default 737 looks good and is pretty good for a default aircraft. But the sounds are so bad that for me its unusable. 

 

Maybe some payware 737 sounds are in order - I will have to look for some - sure you have seen the amazing work zibo has done on the default 737 at the org.

Well I have never had an OOM, do not get micro stutters nor are my ground textures slow loading.

But there is more to getting a smooth running P3D than just having a "top of the line system" sometimes it's not the tools you have but how you use them.

 

There must be a reason why FSX/P3D is massively more popular with both users and developers, might it be that it offers a much more rounded simulation especially if you spend the money on the huge amount of superior payware that is available.

 

The main reason FSX has been a developer magnet is that it has been a completely fixed and unchanging platform for 10 years. No continuing changes in the underlying code that force a change in the product lines.

 

It's been a boon for add-on developers, but it couldn't last forever. The sheer weight of add-ons over the years eventually exposes how creaky and old the original FSX code is. Newer sims can take advantage of modern coding and greater memory access for more realistic world modeling, and potentially deeper systems modeling in aircraft. The PMDG DC-6 circuit breakers, for example, are functional in the XP version but won't work in the FSX/P3D version due to 32 bit memory constraints. 

 

I'm sure many sim pilots will hang in there with FSX/P3D for more years going forward, but it's also at a tipping point with new sims offering different options. That's going to peel off the users who realize that any major improvement going forward, like P3D going 64 bits, will require re-purchasing all their add-ons. If they're going to have to do that anyway, there are now starting to appear other options (and cheaper ones, at that).

There must be a reason why FSX/P3D is massively more popular with both users and developers...

 

It's because X-Plane has always been seen as the "hardcore" simulator aimed at real-world pilots while FSX was (supposedly) for "the rest of us" with more hand-holding and features aimed at novices, and with Microsoft's name and marketing muscle behind it, as well as a more "casual friendly" price point, it naturally sold better.  A larger user base made it more attractive to 3rd party add-on developers, and now we're in a situation where a lot of people have invested over a decade of time and a considerable amount of money in FSX and aren't willing to give it up even if the base software itself is arguably obsolete.  It's a form of vendor lock-in and really has nothing to do with one sim being better than another.  Unfortunately, it's holding back the flight sim market because nobody wants their, in some cases, thousands of dollars worth of add-ons rendered non-functional by a major overhaul to an existing product, or by changing to a new one.

Maybe some payware 737 sounds are in order - I will have to look for some - sure you have seen the amazing work zibo has done on the default 737 at the org.

seems this guy is using free engine sound replacement with the default 737, skip to 10.00 and this is the link to the sound download http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/33658-engine-sounds-x737v4-cfm56-and-qpac-a320v2-iae/

 

I've owned them all and I've enjoyed them all.

 

I love flightsims period

I'm sure many sim pilots will hang in there with FSX/P3D for more years going forward, but it's also at a tipping point with new sims offering different options. That's going to peel off the users who realize that any major improvement going forward, like P3D going 64 bits, will require re-purchasing all their add-ons. If they're going to have to do that anyway, there are now starting to appear other options (and cheaper ones, at that).

 

Bingo  :wink:

seems this guy is using free engine sound replacement with the default 737, skip to 10.00 and this is the link to the sound download 

 

Thank you Tofi   :wink:  :wink:

It's because X-Plane has always been seen as the "hardcore" simulatorof 

 

Dumped a ton of payware - I will accept it - I think it will be worth it in the long run 

I'm not sure you completely understand what the phrase "like comparing apples to oranges" really means.  Colloquially, it means an attempt to compare dissimilar things that have few if any points in common.  For example, comparing a first-person shooter to a flight simulator would be to compare apples to oranges.  Comparing one flight simulator to another, on the other hand, is apples to apples.

 

I understand perfectly.  However, I was comparing apples and oranges in the literal sense as they are currently sitting on my table and I was looking at them when I was typing my original post.  I consider FSX & P3D to be the apples and XP10/11 to be the oranges, just like I would consider PC's to be apples and Macs to be Oranges (should have said Macs were the apples :smile: ).  They are in the larger category (e.g. fruit, automobiles, flight sims, computers), but are significantly different enough that I categorize them as previously mentioned.  Anyway, I hope you understand my interpretation and we can leave it at that.

Is it really taboo to be a user of all three sims -- to enjoy the advantages of them all? Does it have to be a "one-sim only" attitude?

 

I plan on keeping FSX indefinitely for my older addons that still work great today e.g. A2A B377. I plan on keeping P3D for its pretty graphics and VFR flying. And I plan on acquiring XP11 to be on the cutting edge of simming.

 

IDK why I would give up any of these for the other. HDD space isn't exactly terribly expensive these days.

 

 

I would consider PC's to be apples and Macs to be Oranges (should have said Macs were the apples

 

hahaha, good one Glenn.

I understand perfectly.  However, I was comparing apples and oranges in the literal sense as they are currently sitting on my table and I was looking at them when I was typing my original post.  I consider FSX & P3D to be the apples and XP10/11 to be the oranges, just like I would consider PC's to be apples and Macs to be Oranges (should have said Macs were the apples :smile: ).  They are in the larger category (e.g. fruit, automobiles, flight sims, computers), but are significantly different enough that I categorize them as previously mentioned.  Anyway, I hope you understand my interpretation and we can leave it at that.

 

Fair enough, but that's not what the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" traditionally means.

Is it really taboo to be a user of all three sims -- to enjoy the advantages of them all? Does it have to be a "one-sim only" attitude?

 

I plan on keeping FSX indefinitely for my older addons that still work great today e.g. A2A B377. I plan on keeping P3D for its pretty graphics and VFR flying. And I plan on acquiring XP11 to be on the cutting edge of simming.

 

IDK why I would give up any of these for the other. HDD space isn't exactly terribly expensive these days.

 

I actually meant to say this earlier as well lol.  I guess this really comes down to budget and what you want out of the sim.  If you wanted to go nuts with add-ons would really be the catalyst for most people to chose just one or this could get quite expensive very quickly.

 

 

but that's not what the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" traditionally means.

 

Regardless, oranges are much better, but I use apples as well. My lunch box is quite big so I can fit them both in and enjoy apples for what they offer, even if they are not as good, and that 'apple a day keeps the doctor away' is total BS BTW. I even use the odd pear despite the lack of support and trouble with long term stability, but I still think they have something to offer.

 

Anyway oranges FTW (they clearly look better too) and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.