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Thinking of trying some long haul flights...aircraft of choice?

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So as the title says, I'm thinking of trying some long haul flights.  I mostly fly the 737NGX around the US but I'm in the mood to try something new and different.  I'm between the 777 and the newly released 747 from PMDG but not sure which one to go with...  What's everyone think?  

 

Side note: When you folks perform longer flights, do you use the sim multiplier - or go for real time?

 

-Chris

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Both PMDG planes have the "auto-cruise" feature - by the push of a button the sim goes into a predefined (user-defined) time-acceleration. I prefer this to just sitting there for a few more hours in cruise ...   ;-)

 

The B744 is the latest and greatest in pushing the limits of your sim - go for it unless you know for sure the B772 is exactly the type of aircraft that you want.

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Both PMDG planes have the "auto-cruise" feature - by the push of a button the sim goes into a predefined (user-defined) time-acceleration. I prefer this to just sitting there for a few more hours in cruise ...   ;-)

 

The B744 is the latest and greatest in pushing the limits of your sim - go for it unless you know for sure the B772 is exactly the type of aircraft that you want.

 

All my goflight stuff is for twin engine configuration so I was thinking triple 7 for that purpose.  But the 747 is a classic and the latest greatest.  I just cant decide lol.

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What you really need is the BlackBox A330. You won't find a more complete aircraft, and with a top-notch VC. You also get spectacular customer service too!

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If you want something different, try the FSLabs Concorde. Go on a long haul from EGLL to KJFK at Mach 2 in 3.5 hours. It's a fun, complex, classic add-on, complete with flight engineer (or if you want a good challenge, act as pilot and flight engineer).

 

I also have the PMDG 777, which is a great modern long hauler. My problem is I don't have the time in my life to fly 8 hours, but the above-mentioned auto-cruise is a handy feature, compressing an 8 hour flight to 4 hours. Or you can just depart at night, go to bed, and then land in the morning while you enjoy your coffee. Of course, then you miss all those wonderful ocean views.

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Wow, more and more options I didn't even consider.  I dont have time for 8 hour flights either which is why I've always stuck to short 1 to 2 hour hops with the NGX with the ability to go an extra few hours if time permits.  I usually watch a movie and then return to land lol.

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If you're having trouble deciding between them, you could try the PMDG 777 and the iFly 744. The iFly is WAAAY cheaper and it's surprisingly good for the money. The PMDG 777 is pretty much perfect in every way.

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What you really need is the BlackBox A330. You won't find a more complete aircraft, and with a top-notch VC. You also get spectacular customer service too!

 

Not sure what you have been smoking lol but yea. For me that aircraft is safely stored in the hangar until pending upgrade arrive

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I'd second Todd's recommendation for Concorde. Longest flight is 4 hours - 4000 statute miles. That will get you from Heathrow to Barbados. Alternatively how about Honolulu to Auckland. Also 4 hrs.

 

Or if time is a factor JFK down to Orlando in 1hr 30m.

 

Totally different experience to Boeings. The speed is incredible as is the climb rate when reheats are engaged. Up to 10,000fpm for a short while. No other aircraft except military jets can give you that performance.

 

Oh, and it's around $30 cheaper than some other aircraft I could mention.

 

I fly in real time only. Being retired helps but with no flight longer than 4 hours that isn't a problem.

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Not sure what you have been smoking lol but yea.

 

:) If you check my posting history, you'll find sarcasm is at the top of my repertoire (which isn't really a good thing on the internet). And I have a feeling my widebody package purchase belongs in the scrapyard and not just the hangar. My outlook on that whole project is grim to say the least.

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You dont have to do long haul with a 777 or 747, I use both as Freight versions and do small hopes like LSGG-LFPG 50% ful LGPD - EHAM 75% full  then EHAM to EGNX. 95%full

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You dont have to do long haul with a 777 or 747,

 

True, but there is something quite satisfying about completing a longhaul though. I haven't done one in ages. This weekend will see some long hours (with the help of autocruise).

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What you really need is the BlackBox A330. You won't find a more complete aircraft, and with a top-notch VC. You also get spectacular customer service too!

They got 1000s of happy customers. 1000s

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f you want something different, try the FSLabs Concorde.

 

 

the only issue  with  that is its the hardest  aircraft  to  master 

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tooting, on 15 Feb 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

They got 1000s of happy customers. 1000s

The befitting name of 'blackbox simulations' cannot be emphasised enough.

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The Concorde is great but be aware that the VC graphics are poor by today's standards. If they upgraded that, it would be a killer in P3D.

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the only issue  with  that is its the hardest  aircraft  to  master 

 

I thought Aussies like a challenge! :wink:  I'm 65 and I've mastered it. It's very satisfying when you are in control of the aircraft instead of it being in control of you. :Big Grin:

The Concorde is great but be aware that the VC graphics are poor by today's standards. If they upgraded that, it would be a killer in P3D.

 

David,

 

I grant you that the overhead panels are a little lacking in quality but the 2D equivalents are just fine. Nothing wrong with the Virtual Cockpit as this screenshot shows. This is where you spend 95% of your time. Another important factor is the improvements on VAS usage. I'm now able to fly Aerosoft Heathrow to FSDreamTeam's JFK Mk 2 with no VAS issues.

 

This screenshot taken on a Sony 32" LCD TV at 1920x1080.

 

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I'd echo the recommendations of the PMDG 777 or 747. If I was going to buy only one, I'd choose the 747. It's the newest release, meaning it benefits from lessons learned on the 777 and has additional features etc, and it comes with a lot of variants in the base package.

 

I don't say that to take away thing away from the 777, it's an excellent aircraft and really trying to choose one over the other is splitting hairs in terms of quality and experience.

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Thanks for the input everyone!

 

I'd echo the recommendations of the PMDG 777 or 747. If I was going to buy only one, I'd choose the 747. It's the newest release, meaning it benefits from lessons learned on the 777 and has additional features etc, and it comes with a lot of variants in the base package.

I don't say that to take away thing away from the 777, it's an excellent aircraft and really trying to choose one over the other is splitting hairs in terms of quality and experience.

This is what I was thinking.  Plus Im also stuck with the, "Do I wait for the next P3D version to see what direction to go?"  I'd rather buy once then spend on an upgrade if things require re-working if the mystical 64bit support comes out.  

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How far do you want to go?  The 777-200LR is literally capable of flying halfway around the world.  I have flown it around the world a few times with just one stop....ie Christchurch NZ  (NZCH) -> Malaga Spain (LEMG) going Eastbound, then Malaga back to CHristchurch.  Each leg is ~ 20+ hrs or so lol, so you can literally fly from anywhere to anywhere in the T7.  I am not an 'airline pilot' type, more of a Charter/Cargo ops kind a guy lol, so the T7's flexibility is great.  You can change fuel tank configs or use different load settings if you want to fly High Density for instance.  

 

The T7 is also highly automated.  Some find this boring, which I can understand if you use the autopilot all the time.  Since there is no first officer tuning radios or taking care of systems, I find the automation handy, as it lets me fly by hand for longer periods.  Another plus is that you have a pair of GE90s at your finger tips, which makes flying by hand so much fun, knowing you have the most powerful jet engines ever made at your finger tips.  The T7 will get in and out of shorter runways as well.  The T7 comes with LR Pax and Freighter versions, with -300LR as an expansion.

 

The Queen is less automated, but still automated enough that the solo sim pilot can reasonably manage things.  The 747 is a little more challenging to fly in that it is a larger airplane with more engines along with less automated systems...so you get the added challenge that those attributes bring.    Flying the Queen by hand is fun too, but be prepared to have to be 'on the ball' a little more, however in some ways is a little easier to land than the T7,   The queen comes with most of the -400 variants...ie Stock, ER, M, D, BCF, F, ERF, with the -8 expansion on the horizon.

 

I have both and I like them equally for the differences they bring.  I think variety is the most important thing to have in FS, it would get boring to only fly the same thing over and over again.

 

When starting a new type of flying, it's a good idea to first start with 'simple', then move to the more complex.  Perhaps since you are just starting out doing long haul, go for the T7 with it's automation, so you can really see what long haul flying is about (ie planning, workloads, things to know...etc), , then if you still like long haul flying, go for the Queen later.  By then you may have a better idea of P3D's direction too.

 

 

Cheers

TJ

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How far do you want to go?  The 777-200LR is literally capable of flying halfway around the world.  I have flown it around the world a few times with just one stop....ie Christchurch NZ  (NZCH) -> Malaga Spain (LEMG) going Eastbound, then Malaga back to CHristchurch.  Each leg is ~ 20+ hrs or so lol, so you can literally fly from anywhere to anywhere in the T7.  I am not an 'airline pilot' type, more of a Charter/Cargo ops kind a guy lol, so the T7's flexibility is great.  You can change fuel tank configs or use different load settings if you want to fly High Density for instance.  

 

The T7 is also highly automated.  Some find this boring, which I can understand if you use the autopilot all the time.  Since there is no first officer tuning radios or taking care of systems, I find the automation handy, as it lets me fly by hand for longer periods.  Another plus is that you have a pair of GE90s at your finger tips, which makes flying by hand so much fun, knowing you have the most powerful jet engines ever made at your finger tips.  The T7 will get in and out of shorter runways as well.  The T7 comes with LR Pax and Freighter versions, with -300LR as an expansion.

 

The Queen is less automated, but still automated enough that the solo sim pilot can reasonably manage things.  The 747 is a little more challenging to fly in that it is a larger airplane with more engines along with less automated systems...so you get the added challenge that those attributes bring.    Flying the Queen by hand is fun too, but be prepared to have to be 'on the ball' a little more, however in some ways is a little easier to land than the T7,   The queen comes with most of the -400 variants...ie Stock, ER, M, D, BCF, F, ERF, with the -8 expansion on the horizon.

 

I have both and I like them equally for the differences they bring.  I think variety is the most important thing to have in FS, it would get boring to only fly the same thing over and over again.

 

When starting a new type of flying, it's a good idea to first start with 'simple', then move to the more complex.  Perhaps since you are just starting out doing long haul, go for the T7 with it's automation, so you can really see what long haul flying is about (ie planning, workloads, things to know...etc), , then if you still like long haul flying, go for the Queen later.  By then you may have a better idea of P3D's direction too.

 

 

Cheers

TJ

Thanks for the informative post.  You may have me leaning towards the T7.  I agree, Flight Simming has gotten a little stale for me which is why I am in the market for something new.  Not that I am an expert in the NGX but I feel confident enough going through the motions.  My biggest problem in that bird is getting her down on time.  I always have the hardest time planning my descent for some reason, but thats another topic lol.

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