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Here is word from FSlab team about 64bit

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Word of caution, however:

 

This does not mean "no more OOMs" - if add-on developers are not careful, we will soon realize that as soon as users turn everything to maximum, there is still a very real possibility of 8GB or 16GB of installed RAM not being enough any more to support 4096 texture sceneries, full autogen, ultra 7cm resolutions, etc - not to mention that nagging will now be transformed from "oh - my bleeping thing OOMed!" to "oh - my bleeping thing is crawling at 4 Frames Per Year (tm)".

 

guys, upgrade your RAM to 32GB :biggrin:

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The difference now is that instead of a hard limit at 4GB which no one and nothing can overcome, we now are only limited by our budgets.

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55 minutes ago, flyalways said:

Word of caution, however:

 

This does not mean "no more OOMs" - if add-on developers are not careful, we will soon realize that as soon as users turn everything to maximum, there is still a very real possibility of 8GB or 16GB of installed RAM not being enough any more to support 4096 texture sceneries, full autogen, ultra 7cm resolutions, etc - not to mention that nagging will now be transformed from "oh - my bleeping thing OOMed!" to "oh - my bleeping thing is crawling at 4 Frames Per Year (tm)".

 

guys, upgrade your RAM to 32GB :biggrin:

Yeah....

Bottleneck in the sim: optimized for current hardware technology

Bottleneck in the computer spec: memory

Bottleneck in pilot: credit card/wife(s),...

I'm more worry about the last one though

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I just secretly bought 16 more gb. Now at 32gb

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I'm looking at secretly going from 8 to 16. but in house house that is mission impossible!:ph34r:

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I bought 16gb when I did my upgrade a few months back, hopefully that will be enough for a while!

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This is absolute nonsense! 

The strength of a chain is the strength of its weakest link.

OOM is a thing of the past.. what we would encounter is the next weakest link. FPS.  if more and more VAS is used, and consumed, the system would be able to take it in terms of VAS..... 64bit is not 50% more or even 100% more VAS, it's exponentially larger that  we would encounter the wall of other issues before OOM.  IF its truly 64 bit, OOM is a non sequitur. 

 

 

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I've had 64Gigs of RAM for quite a while.  That should handle it.

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Also have 32 gb 3200 MHz ddr4 should also be enough.

My plan is to check how v4 works with my old x99 system (5820k) and to upgrade to x299 in october if i have not enough power :-)

Anyway the big question for me is how much more gpu vram and  gpu horsepower is needed.  May it makes more sense to upgrade to next gen gpu when they are coming.  

Btw does anyone know if amd cards will perform better with v4?

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3 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

I've had 64Gigs of RAM for quite a while.  That should handle it.

Have a chat with my missus will you,  😂😂

she's going to hit the roof when she sees the screw drivers coming out!!!

I'm trying to work out how to secretly go from 8 to 32 gigs and a ssd without her noticing, I've got from 8.30am to 1800 and that's delivery, open. Install,  close and dispose of packaging.  I'm glad I'm not the only one!

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4 minutes ago, tooting said:

Have a chat with my missus will you,  😂😂

she's going to hit the roof when she sees the screw drivers coming out!!!

I'm trying to work out how to secretly go from 8 to 32 gigs and a ssd without her noticing, I've got from 8.30am to 1800 and that's delivery, open. Install,  close and dispose of packaging.  I'm glad I'm not the only one!

:-) can you Imagine how Happy i was that she did not recognize my secret upgrade to a 6950x :-)

God save my secret bank account for p3d at the cayman islands ;-)

 

 

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hahaha. I like that "4 frames per year>" which could almost be true if folks decide to max things way beyond the max (well, you get it).

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6 hours ago, Hoang said:

Yeah....

Bottleneck in the sim: optimized for current hardware technology

Bottleneck in the computer spec: memory

Bottleneck in pilot: credit card/wife(s),...

I'm more worry about the last one though

hummmm, that's a tough one. 

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4 hours ago, BamaKevin said:

I just secretly bought 16 more gb. Now at 32gb

 

I'm telling. 

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21 minutes ago, tooting said:

Have a chat with my missus will you,  😂😂

she's going to hit the roof when she sees the screw drivers coming out!!!

I'm trying to work out how to secretly go from 8 to 32 gigs and a ssd without her noticing, I've got from 8.30am to 1800 and that's delivery, open. Install,  close and dispose of packaging.  I'm glad I'm not the only one!

Humm.. give her 2 spleeping pills. That should hold for about 8-12 hours. Good luck

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7 hours ago, flyalways said:

Word of caution, however:

 

This does not mean "no more OOMs" - if add-on developers are not careful, we will soon realize that as soon as users turn everything to maximum, there is still a very real possibility of 8GB or 16GB of installed RAM not being enough any more to support 4096 texture sceneries, full autogen, ultra 7cm resolutions, etc - not to mention that nagging will now be transformed from "oh - my bleeping thing OOMed!" to "oh - my bleeping thing is crawling at 4 Frames Per Year (tm)".

 

guys, upgrade your RAM to 32GB :biggrin:

On a Serious Note- and in defense of FSL-, allow me say what happened with some customers. After some 'brave' well-known  developer promised to develop an Airbus series around 9 years ago, and then change its mind, FSL stepped-up to the challenge. The sim world literally begged for the highest quality Airbus 320, we have ever seen. Well, guess what?.. FSL came along and said: "Fine, we believe we can do it." And they did !!

However (however), now that it is out, some folks, began crying left and right, up and down saying that this add-on is too demanding. Well, what did you expect? You asked for the highest quality in systems, graphics, and everything in-between, and you got it!  FSL Delivered!  Therefore, to those folks I would say if you don't have what it takes to handle such a top quality A/C, then don't even try.

It's like trying to handle a gorgeous, beautiful, top-of-the-line young woman... If you don't have the______, nor the money, nor all the materiel stuff, she will not even look at you. (haha, what an analogy but true). :ohmy:

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1 hour ago, tooting said:

Have a chat with my missus will you,  😂😂

she's going to hit the roof when she sees the screw drivers coming out!!!

I'm trying to work out how to secretly go from 8 to 32 gigs and a ssd without her noticing, I've got from 8.30am to 1800 and that's delivery, open. Install,  close and dispose of packaging.  I'm glad I'm not the only one!

Don't forget to password protect the Avsim forums, in case she reads this.

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Not top of the line graphically I would say. For example it does not make use of bump/spec for better surface appearance to improve its vc which is bit shabby looking. I wish it had looks as robust as its systems modelling. Geometry wise it is very detailed though.

33 minutes ago, joemiller said:

On a Serious Note- and in defense of FSL-, allow me say what happened with some customers. After some 'brave' well-known  developer promised to develop an Airbus series around 9 years ago, and then change its mind, FSL stepped-up to the challenge. The sim world literally begged for the highest quality Airbus 320, we have ever seen. Well, guess what?.. FSL came along and said: "Fine, we believe we can do it." And they did !!

However (however), now that it is out, some folks, began crying left and right, up and down saying that this add-on is too demanding. Well, what did you expect? You asked for the highest quality in systems, graphics, and everything in-between, and you got it!  FSL Delivered!  Therefore, to those folks I would say if you don't have what it takes to handle such a top quality A/C, then don't even try.

It's like trying to handle a gorgeous, beautiful, top-of-the-line young woman... If you don't have the______, nor the money, nor all the materiel stuff, she will not even look at you. (haha, what an analogy but true). :ohmy:

 

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3 minutes ago, him225 said:

Not top of the line graphically I would say. For example it does not make use of bump/spec for better surface appearance to improve its vc which is bit shabby looking. I wish it had looks as robust as its systems modelling. Geometry wise it is very detailed though.

 

True.. the graphics are not the best, especially if you compare with Aerosoft's whose darn beautiful. But, it is still really nice. I'm  guessing they notice the tremendous amount of coding, necessary during development and realize if the graphics had all the bells and whistles (combined with systems), it may had been outrageously hard on performance to a point which it would not run well even with current hardware....  <------ (just my very wild guest).  

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I guess texturing is least of the performance issues in p3d with a modern gpu. Regarding memory might take around 40-60mb more for vc if going by VCs of other devs. Actually it is the detailed geometry that has its additional load on the cpu while good texturing might have come with negligible performance hit. That said I expect it to perform more or less the same as in v3 with similar settings.

28 minutes ago, joemiller said:

True.. the graphics are not the best, especially if you compare with Aerosoft's whose darn beautiful. But, it is still really nice. I'm  guessing they notice the tremendous amount of coding, necessary during development and realize if the graphics had all the bells and whistles (combined with systems), it may had been outrageously hard on performance to a point which it would not run well even with current hardware....  <------ (just my very wild guest).  

 

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I agree as well, VC graphics quality wise is lacking real hard. Not sure, but maybe they applied some old technique (considering it started being developed 6 or more years ago) or something, anyway it would be awesome if they updated the VC to something better looking, especially now that VAS should not be an issue anymore. The other day I was looking the pics of the new Airbus of Aerosoft and it seemed to be the most perfect ever, that's the kind of approach I wish FSLabs had.

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1 hour ago, PhugoidEffect said:

The other day I was looking the pics of the new Airbus of Aerosoft and it seemed to be the most perfect ever

Er... new Airbus? What new Airbus...?!

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59 minutes ago, PhugoidEffect said:

I agree as well, VC graphics quality wise is lacking real hard. Not sure, but maybe they applied some old technique (considering it started being developed 6 or more years ago) or something, anyway it would be awesome if they updated the VC to something better looking, especially now that VAS should not be an issue anymore. The other day I was looking the pics of the new Airbus of Aerosoft and it seemed to be the most perfect ever, that's the kind of approach I wish FSLabs had.

Yes, but don't forget that Aerosoft's system-wise is maybe half of FSL, See I'm sure FSL could make it 'prettier' as much as Aerosoft; but, I am pretty sure it will cost a lot of performance.. and this will hit FPS. I'm sure this beast was no easy task. (Far form a Boeing)  And, as you can see they took a very long time to complete. To this date FSL is the only developer that has managed to come up with such a high fidelity Airbus... But anyway, let's see what the future brings; hopefully lots of more joy. 

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7 minutes ago, J van E said:

Er... new Airbus? What new Airbus...?!

They're working on the A-330, and it's already looking like a gorgeous bride. Go check it out.  

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11 minutes ago, J van E said:

Er... new Airbus? What new Airbus...?!

I think he means the A330 that Aerosoft have in development.

Oops -Joe beat me to it!

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