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I admit that selfishly I made the move to P3D v4 before most add ons being brought current to the new platform is my own fault but question on schedule.

 

I understand the 300 is waiting on a hot fix from LM with something pertaining to the nose wheel camera. That's fine, I get that. Is there a reason why that's delaying the update to the NGX? I have exasturbated my trans-continental flying for a little while. :biggrin:

 

Please don't strike me as impatient, only anxious and eager. And not totally understanding of software development. :blush:

 

We are on the forefront of exciting times in flight simulation.

 

Cheers

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As always, when there's any news it will be posted in the general forum from an official PMDG representative. Anything other than that is speculation.

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The NGX is an older product code-wise than the 777 and 747 are and it's taking longer to update than we initially anticipated. It's also a more complicated product in terms of building the installers and such - the P3Dv3 and P3Dv4 versions have totally separate models, gauge dlls, texture, panel and model cfgs, etc - multiply that across the 7 variants of the airplane in the NGX product line and it's quite a lot of work. We're working on it.

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6 minutes ago, Zuendholz said:

So the modeller have time to add the Split Scimitar Winglets? :ph34r:

 

Then you would have the appearance with the wrong performance. What for, really?

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3 hours ago, Tabs said:

The NGX is an older product code-wise than the 777 and 747 are and it's taking longer to update than we initially anticipated. It's also a more complicated product in terms of building the installers and such - the P3Dv3 and P3Dv4 versions have totally separate models, gauge dlls, texture, panel and model cfgs, etc - multiply that across the 7 variants of the airplane in the NGX product line and it's quite a lot of work. We're working on it.

Thanks for the explanation. Having almost zero software knowledge, i was wondering why 737 series was the last to be updated although it has -as far as I understand from the forums- more customers than the others.

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4 hours ago, Tabs said:

The NGX is an older product code-wise than the 777 and 747 are and it's taking longer to update than we initially anticipated. It's also a more complicated product in terms of building the installers and such - the P3Dv3 and P3Dv4 versions have totally separate models, gauge dlls, texture, panel and model cfgs, etc - multiply that across the 7 variants of the airplane in the NGX product line and it's quite a lot of work. We're working on it.

All I can say is this:

 

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6 hours ago, Tabs said:

The NGX is an older product code-wise than the 777 and 747 are and it's taking longer to update than we initially anticipated. It's also a more complicated product in terms of building the installers and such - the P3Dv3 and P3Dv4 versions have totally separate models, gauge dlls, texture, panel and model cfgs, etc - multiply that across the 7 variants of the airplane in the NGX product line and it's quite a lot of work. We're working on it.

Hi,
Thank you for the information Ryan. I am also one of the guys that is waiting for NGX to fly as I have switched completely to V4 and uninstall V3.

Looking forward to get it!

Cheers,
Hoang Le

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7 hours ago, Tabs said:

The NGX is an older product code-wise than the 777 and 747 are and it's taking longer to update than we initially anticipated. It's also a more complicated product in terms of building the installers and such - the P3Dv3 and P3Dv4 versions have totally separate models, gauge dlls, texture, panel and model cfgs, etc - multiply that across the 7 variants of the airplane in the NGX product line and it's quite a lot of work. We're working on it.

Understood, I can appreciate the complexity and especially with an older project. The timeline made it seem that it would not be worked on until after the release of the 300 but your reply clearly shows it's underway. 

You won't see me complain about how long it takes after seeing my investment will be brought to the new platform free of charge. For that I'm patient, was more so curious. Thank you for your explanation.

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8 hours ago, costamesa said:

Thanks for the explanation. Having almost zero software knowledge, i was wondering why 737 series was the last to be updated although it has -as far as I understand from the forums- more customers than the others.

This was essentially answered in the earlier post: the code is older. Why hold up two products that are relatively simple, in order to spend potentially a lot more time trying to work on a more complex project, given its age?

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Well, having extensive experience juggling some of the most complex systems in the world of software and networking... 

1 hour ago, scandinavian13 said:

Why hold up two products that are relatively simple, in order to spend potentially a lot more time trying to work on a more complex project, given its age?

A: Because one of those other products, by your own comment, is held up by a third-party. It was a reasonable question to ask, I suppose... :-)

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13 hours ago, doylie22 said:

I understand the 300 is waiting on a hot fix from LM with something pertaining to the nose wheel camera. That's fine, I get that. Is there a reason why that's delaying the update to the NGX? 

 

So I have read all your responses however the question has not been answered. As a professional developer for a development company, we have many of times, especially lately with xcode and apple, where updates and fixes of a third part partially or fully stop a development. This does not stop my company from developing however, we simply move to another project. Now before ever non-developer and sim enthusiast jumps by back, Im not saying that PMDG is slacking or anything to that effect. I am simply hoping to ask the original question in a more detailed way to hopefully get a more clear picture of the NGX.   

So here is my question; Has the hotfix stopped all development period thus the dev team is taking a break OR, are there other functions of the T7 that are being worked on while waiting for a hot fix OR have you gotten a jump on the NGX during this time while nothing can be done on the T7 meaning a shorter turnaround on release of the NGX after the hotfix. 

Again for you trolls out there, I am not trying to badger, I appreciate PMDG and believe they have done a spectacular job FOR FREE I might add converting us over to 64x. Just trying to get a better picture if the NGX is getting moved to JULY now instead of the initial proposed release of mid June. 

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15 minutes ago, JasonC said:

So here is my question; Has the hotfix stopped all development period thus the dev team is taking a break OR, are there other functions of the T7 that are being worked on while waiting for a hot fix OR have you gotten a jump on the NGX during this time while nothing can be done on the T7 meaning a shorter turnaround on release of the NGX after the hotfix. 

I would have thought....

13 hours ago, Tabs said:

The NGX is an older product code-wise than the 777 and 747 are and it's taking longer to update than we initially anticipated. It's also a more complicated product in terms of building the installers and such - the P3Dv3 and P3Dv4 versions have totally separate models, gauge dlls, texture, panel and model cfgs, etc - multiply that across the 7 variants of the airplane in the NGX product line and it's quite a lot of work. We're working on it.

....would have answered it, given that Ryan is on the development team. They are working on the 737 whilst the issues with the 777 are being dealt with, but updating the 737 is taking longer than they expected.

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15 minutes ago, JasonC said:

So here is my question; Has the hotfix stopped all development period thus the dev team is taking a break OR, are there other functions of the T7 that are being worked on while waiting for a hot fix OR have you gotten a jump on the NGX during this time while nothing can be done on the T7 meaning a shorter turnaround on release of the NGX after the hotfix. 

We're just all sitting here waiting on LM to release a hotfix. Not sure what else we'd do with our time other than sit and wait... :ph34r:

16 minutes ago, JasonC said:

As a professional developer for a development company, we have many of times, especially lately with xcode and apple, where updates and fixes of a third part partially or fully stop a development. This does not stop my company from developing however, we simply move to another project.

Kinda answered your own question here, no? :wink:

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Yup. That answer makes perfect sense, but over time there was a little bit of a miscommunication as to what's happening. I for one am hoping for the next-next NGX release in the near future. From strictly user perspective, it's also showing its age, when compared to 747, and 777. Besides, you folks deserve some more of my money, and you didn't want it for v4 upgrade. Sigh.

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6 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

We're just all sitting here waiting on LM to release a hotfix. Not sure what else we'd do with our time other than sit and wait... :ph34r:

Kinda answered your own question here, no? :wink:

I was referring to how my company personally handles these and was asking if you were doing the same so no, didn't answer my question, was just giving an example. So based on the answers above, you are both sitting and waiting while also moving on to another project? If you are all actually waiting around, I suggest a company outing...go zip-lining...was very fun team building excercise we just did for all of our employees. You all definitely earned it. If you have moved on to another project...might it be the NGX perhaps? :)

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8 minutes ago, icemarkom said:

 Besides, you folks deserve some more of my money, and you didn't want it for v4 upgrade. Sigh.

Couldn't agree more!

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I was wondering the same as the OP. Thanks for the explanation Ryan and keep the good work.

Cheers

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Guys, please refrain from asking PMDG about why this or why that because when they post something here it put them a day behind in completing there work. Thank you!!

PMDG please get back to work!!!  LOL

 

David

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2 hours ago, JasonC said:

I was referring to how my company personally handles these and was asking if you were doing the same so no, didn't answer my question, was just giving an example. So based on the answers above, you are both sitting and waiting while also moving on to another project? If you are all actually waiting around, I suggest a company outing...go zip-lining...was very fun team building excercise we just did for all of our employees. You all definitely earned it. If you have moved on to another project...might it be the NGX perhaps? :)

I think you missed the sarcasm in Kyle's post. As Ryan pointed out, NGX is being worked on and taking longer than 747 and 777 as it's older code.

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Gents,

I think this entire thread points out how important it is not to believe anything you read "from other users or forums."

We have been working on converting all three product lines to make them compatible with Prepar3D v4 since early March when we first received access to the platform.  When we announced last week that we need Lockheed Martin to publish the hot-fix that corrects a massive FPS loss experienced in the 77W, we merely indicated that the 77W would not commence testing for release until that hotfix is available.

Nobody at PMDG hinted at, suggested or otherwise indicated that this hold has an impact on the NGX.

I am always a bit befuddled at the "experts" who are so quick to jump in and tell us what we are doing wrong.  We rarely try to tell people in other businesses or development houses what they "need to do."

Perhaps I am just living life incorrectly?

For those waiting on the NGX:  It is a long process.  It will release when it is done.  I know the Deep-Sim-Conspiracy Theorists have cooked up all kinds of crazy theories on all manner of topics related to the NGX conversion to Prepar3D v4- but the bottom line is that of all of the products in our inventory- it is taking the longest.  We knew this when we layed out our release agenda two weeks ago because we had already been at it for nearly three months.

Trust us- we give you the facts as we see them, as we know them.  Anything else you read is just uninformed conjecture!

 

 

 

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Thanks Robert for this post and clarifying this. We'll await patiently for the NGX.

I think (some of) the confusion that the NGX was halted/pending till after the issues concerning the 777-300ER was resolved, was in part this post from Kyle on the subject. It led (at least me) to think that the NGX was paused/or halted because of the problems which arose when, working on making the 777-300ER compatible with Prepar3D V4.

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6 hours ago, rsrandazzo said:

Gents,

I think this entire thread points out how important it is not to believe anything you read "from other users or forums."

We have been working on converting all three product lines to make them compatible with Prepar3D v4 since early March when we first received access to the platform.  When we announced last week that we need Lockheed Martin to publish the hot-fix that corrects a massive FPS loss experienced in the 77W, we merely indicated that the 77W would not commence testing for release until that hotfix is available.

 

 

 

Robert,

I did not mean any disrespect in my original post. My information was from your locked post here on the forums for the "Most Current Information on P3Dv4 Availability":

"PMDG 737NGX:

This product is still being prepared for testing.

This product is expected to enter testing concurrent with release of the 777-300ER to customers.

The current expectation is to release before the end of June."

I (maybe wrongfully) understood that to mean that release of the 777-300ER would begin work of the NGX. I guess the key here is the first line about being prepared for testing.

I would never take the word of a non-PMDG employee over that of your team. I was quite satisfied with the answer that it is being worked on but the older code is making it a longer process.

Sorry for any confusion,

Sean

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