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Best, most complete FMC equipped plane for beginner.

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I am primarily a GA flyer and LOVE my GTN 750.  However, since I can't update the airac on the GTN, I am looking for the best, most complete aircraft that utilizes an updatable FMC.  I know about PMDG, but it's systems are WAY too complicated for this old bird.   I would like the new CRJ, but way too many issues.  Maybe I will reconsider after a few more updates.  

Anything else out there that is a "Study Lite" aircraft with FMC?

P3dV4

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Hi bpollock,

Might want to reconsider. From a learning viewpoint, the built in tutorial as well as an excellent one from Frooglesim on YT has taught me plenty. I have been frustrated by all the others I've tried. Also the assistance from "DAVE" which is a built in aid is a great feature. Don't know your system specs but the new Aerosoft/Digital CRJ's are working just fine for me in P3Dv4 on Win10 x64 with Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable 14.0.24215.

 

 

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I definitely have my eye on the CRJ.  Perhaps ill take my chances and by the time I have learned to cold and dark start it, new updates will be out fixing the outstanding issues.  Lol

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Your not to old to learn the PMDG 737, why?

You can set the default state to be ready for takeoff.

Youtube is full of tutorials on the plane.

You can easily learn the FMC, again just YouTube PMDG FMC tutorial.

Yes it's a lot to learn but if something goes wrong it's not a bug, it's a mistake and you can learn why.

Take the leap, you will learn and enjoy it and the reward is huge.

Better to learn on a platform that's not got bugs than trying to figure out if it's the plane or you that's the problem. Don't go lite, go for an aircraft that's right and you really can learn.

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bpollockm

You may also like to consider the IFly 737 slightly (very) less than PMDG, and another to consider is Eagesoft Citation. 

PMDG and IFly are not GA and even though certified to be flown with only one pilot is probably not GA either. I do not know of any prop aircraft with a FMS/FMC set-up.  

All three of my suggestions are incredible aircraft but... may not be to your liking, so please regard them as suggestions only.

Regrds

Tony Chilcott

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The majestic Q400.

But not out for v4 yet

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1 hour ago, bpollock said:

  I would like the new CRJ, but way too many issues.

I am making the same move as yourself.  Looking at the CRJ changelogs, they have already fixed nearly ninety issues.  What are the other issues holding you back? 

 

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Is the CRJ more or less difficult to learn how to fly than a 737/777/747?

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1 hour ago, bpollock said:

I am primarily a GA flyer and LOVE my GTN 750.  However, since I can't update the airac on the GTN, I am looking for the best, most complete aircraft that utilizes an updatable FMC.  I know about PMDG, but it's systems are WAY too complicated for this old bird.   I would like the new CRJ, but way too many issues.  Maybe I will reconsider after a few more updates.  

Anything else out there that is a "Study Lite" aircraft with FMC?

P3dV4

Don't be afraid of the PMDG planes.  Maybe consider the 777 as it is very automated.  But the NGX is a classic and must have.  Tons of good you tube tutorials and very rewarding to fly.  Stay away from the CRJ as it does not have an auto throttle and will be more difficult to learn.  

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45 minutes ago, Hubinsc said:

I am making the same move as yourself.  Looking at the CRJ changelogs, they have already fixed nearly ninety issues.  What are the other issues holding you back? 

 

Flight plan tracking especially after a direct to still seems to be an issue.    

Im having fun flying my PC12 with GTN750, so I guess I will monitor and wait a few weeks for the fixes to be addressed.  

My main issue with all these choices is that I don't fly In the VC.   I have multiple monitors and use multiple hardware units.  I kind of like the fact that the CRJ has multiple 2d panels that I can just switch to when I need to.  I suppose I can create many views inside the PMDG. 

Dilemas, dilemas?!?!?????   Ughhhhhhhhh!

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Not sure if 64 makes me an old bird, but I picked up the 737 NGX a year ago, and while there was a learning curve, I've never regretted it. Far and away my favorite aircraft, as the rigor with which PMDG modeled the 737 is amazing. The nice thing about the NGX is that it can be hand flown when you want, or the FMC and autopilot can do much of the heavy lifting. The FMC is not all that difficult to learn.

As others have noted, there are many excellent NGX tutorials to be found on YT. Or, if you want something more structured, go to Angle of Attack and sign up for the 737 NGX Flightwork course, which will walk you through FMC setup, controller setup, and demonstrate several flights in Europe and the States that involve flight plans of different complexity as well as how to program and execute SIDS, STARS, and precision and non-precision approaches. They provide some good info on flight planning as well. The AOA course really unlocked much of the mystery of the NGX for me. Good luck!

Rich

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737. Either PMDG or iFly. The 737 is the easiest jet to learn, it's not for nothing that it is the best selling jet airliner ever. And get Mike Ray's Flying the 700 Series jets book. It'll have you flying those babies like a pro.

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I appreciate everyone's comments.  I guess I will make the pmdg plunge.  

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As a few others have mentioned, go with the 777 rather than the 737.

 

The 777 is simpler to fly because of all the automation and simplification of systems. It's a bigger plane but easier to learn the systems on a basic level.

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Honestly I would reconsider the NGX as it's not that difficult to master, fun to fly, and the initial effort is quite rewarding in the end. Plenty of tutorials here, there, and everywhere.

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3 hours ago, paradoxbox said:

As a few others have mentioned, go with the 777 rather than the 737.

 

The 777 is simpler to fly because of all the automation and simplification of systems. It's a bigger plane but easier to learn the systems on a basic level.

The PMDG 777 has no 2D panels, only a VC cockpit.

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6 hours ago, willy647 said:

The PMDG 777 has no 2D panels, only a VC cockpit.

That makes my choices pretty easy.  Either the 737 or the CRJ.    2 hour flights are as long as I have attention span for.  The CRJ would be perfect for that, but I assume I can still do a 2 hour flight in a 737 even though it was probably designed for slightly longer flights.  

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Have you looked at 717? It's got an FMC but is simpler to use than PMDG.  

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On 9/2/2017 at 2:01 PM, bpollock said:

That makes my choices pretty easy.  Either the 737 or the CRJ.    2 hour flights are as long as I have attention span for.  The CRJ would be perfect for that, but I assume I can still do a 2 hour flight in a 737 even though it was probably designed for slightly longer flights.  

The 737 is pretty much made for a two hour or less flight, that's its bread and butter around Europe, with flights of between about 700-1,000 miles distance being absolutely typical. Originally the 737 was designed to be used pretty much like a bus rather than as something which required constant care and servicing after each flight, operating from numerous small poorly equipped airports without the need to refuel too often. From the outset it was designed to be operated by a crew of two rather than the three or four man crews typical of the period. It was basically the jet version of a DC-3. That's why it had built-in airstairs and was available with a rough strip operation kit. Whilst the 737NG is more sophisticated than the original 1960s-designed original, you do still see 737s taxying up to the gate, dumping off passengers and loading new ones on board and getting under way in 15 minutes or less when used by airlines such as Ryannair and EasyJet, because being budget carriers, those airlines like to operate from less fancy airports where the landing fees are a lot less, and they don't make money when those things are on the ground. That alone should tell you it is quick and easy to set up for a flight.

Even in its more modern NG form, the ethos behind the 737 is still simplicity, which is why it would be a good choice for learning a modern jet, because it certainly has the most intuitive FMC of any airliner, one which can be pretty much learned completely with a couple of tutorial flights in an hour or so. You really can't go wrong with it, it's easy to hand fly and easy to operate with automation; if you can drive that thing, any other airliner you subsequently try out will function in much the same way, so the 737 is a great springboard for learning how modern jets work. That is why it is in real life, the best selling airliner of all time, with almost ten thousand of the things having been produced over a continuous unbroken production period of 51 years. That many airline customers can't be wrong and there really aren't many pilots who don't like the thing either. It absolutely is without a doubt the best jet airliner in the world.

 

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If you like to "fly" the Q400 (when it's v4 ready) is my personal fav. The CRJ is getting better all the time and will be a sure winner when it's matured a little more.

Neither of these aircraft have autothrottle and for that reason alone they are far more interesting to fly IMHO.

It really depends on how hands on you want or like to be.

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Chock said:

The 737 is pretty much made for a two hour or less flight, that's its bread and butter around Europe, with flights of between about 700-1,000 miles distance being absolutely typical. Originally the 737 was designed to be used pretty much like a bus rather than as something which required constant care and servicing after each flight, operating from numerous small poorly equipped airports without the need to refuel too often. From the outset it was designed to be operated by a crew of two rather than the three or four man crews typical of the period. It was basically the jet version of a DC-3. That's why it had built-in airstairs and was available with a rough strip operation kit. Whilst the 737NG is more sophisticated than the original 1960s-designed original, you do still see 737s taxying up to the gate, dumping off passengers and loading new ones on board and getting under way in 15 minutes or less when used by airlines such as Ryannair and EasyJet, because being budget carriers, those airlines like to operate from less fancy airports where the landing fees are a lot less, and they don't make money when those things are on the ground. That alone should tell you it is quick and easy to set up for a flight.

Even in its more modern NG form, the ethos behind the 737 is still simplicity, which is why it would be a good choice for learning a modern jet, because it certainly has the most intuitive FMC of any airliner, one which can be pretty much learned completely with a couple of tutorial flights in an hour or so. You really can't go wrong with it, it's easy to hand fly and easy to operate with automation; if you can drive that thing, any other airliner you subsequently try out will function in much the same way, so the 737 is a great springboard for learning how modern jets work. That is why it is in real life, the best selling airliner of all time, with almost ten thousand of the things having been produced over a continuous unbroken production period of 51 years. That many airline customers can't be wrong and there really aren't many pilots who don't like the thing either. It absolutely is without a doubt the best jet airliner in the world.

 

Ok.  I'm convinced.  PMDG 737 it is.  

Thanks for everyone's input.  

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1 hour ago, bpollock said:

Ok.  I'm convinced.  PMDG 737 it is.  

Thanks for everyone's input.  

Excellent choice.

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I agree. Best choice is NGX 737. Great piece of software and you can land it on shorter runways than the 777. You will love it !

Mike

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