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I was wondering will PMDG continue to support both v3 and v4.I now that 747-8 is both v4 and v3 but will this support continue in future,at least two years from now.We need to save money for new built.Thanks for replies

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My PERSONAL opinion: 

as more and more people have problems running FSX and the 32bit versions of P3D with the latest windows updates I expect both platforms being dropped very soon. Many scenery developers have already done it and as FSX doesn‘t seem to be a reliable development platform anymore it‘s not more than wasted money... I wouldn‘t bet on it anymore, to be honest.

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Again also my two cents, the future of P3D 3.4 is simply to emigrate over to P3Dv4. V4 has so much more to offer and is one of the most stable platforms in years. 32-Bit simulation platforms are fast becoming an ancient relic. In my opinion I feel it is just a matter of time before FSX and P3Dv3 are dropped altogether, again just my two cents here.

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As far as i see it... There is actually no real argument against V4, well maybe except some upgrade prices but at the end of the day... The feeling to never fear the rising VAS number in the process explorer is 100% worth it.

This alone is enough reason for me.

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5 hours ago, Stefanrus said:

I was wondering will PMDG continue to support both v3 and v4.I now that 747-8 is both v4 and v3 but will this support continue in future,at least two years from now.We need to save money for new built.Thanks for replies

Why you would need a new build for P3D v4?... if you can run v3.4 fine, you can certainly run v4. Maybe you can't use the higher settings it provides or the dynamic lights but then you are still on the level of v3.4.

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I have P3D v3.4 installed with two airports and one plane....EGLL, KJFK and Concorde.  As soon as there is a Concorde for V4 its gone.

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a lot of developers are only supporting v4 going forward... Not sure if PMDG is part of that. Would make sense thou as v4 is going to be the main platform... 

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I just installed V3 to fly some LR on the 767  and 757 when ever I get the itch to fly them. After CS releases the 757 its almost dead. E-jets once in a while is also something I intend to use it for. 

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There are still a number of active FS2004 users out there too.  I'm sure FSX and P3Dv3 will be around for awhile.  There are the early adopters and the never adopters.

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There are several reasons why I am still using P3D v3, and I will continue to use it until a selection of "issues" with the 64bit version of P3D have been sorted out.

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6 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

There are several reasons why I am still using P3D v3, and I will continue to use it until a selection of "issues" with the 64bit version of P3D have been sorted out.

This is why I'm still on FSX. Once I am satisfied that those issues have been addressed, I will consider getting a new computer to make the switch.

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1 hour ago, Captain Kevin said:

This is why I'm still on FSX. Once I am satisfied that those issues have been addressed, I will consider getting a new computer to make the switch.

It isn't like going from FS9 to FSX. You don't need a new computer to switch to P3Dv4. I get better performance from P3Dv4 than FSX-SE, I didn't change anything. The only upgrades you might need are a better graphics card and some more RAM. Also you have to budget for the cost of P3D licences of any PMDG/A2A/FSL addons you have.

Supporting multiple versions of addons for numerous sim platforms is going to be an increasing problem for developers of complex addons, especially when FSW matures as a product. FSW is of course an alternate 64 bit upgrade path from FSX and potentially a much cheaper one.

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KevinH has a good point, if developers are free from having to develop multiple versions for older, less capable platforms, it simply takes away time they could be spending giving more goodies in the top of the line version of the product.

This, from a fellow who flew 2004 FS for nearly 10 years (Level-D 767).....even though I had FSX during most of that time the FSX platform felt like a stutter-fest.  The high frame rates in 2004 version allowed for some of the best landings I've ever accomplished in a sim.  Nothing like high frame rates for landings!

Anyhow, my vote is to drop FSX, old versions of Prepar3D, and once we're all on the same page the add-on community will start delivering new features in spades.

I'm on Windows 10 and I can't even get MS FS 2004 to work any more and I think FSX (boxed version) is busted too.   Not worrying about it.

Mark Trainer

 

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21 minutes ago, kevinh said:

It isn't like going from FS9 to FSX. You don't need a new computer to switch to P3Dv4. I get better performance from P3Dv4 than FSX-SE, I didn't change anything. The only upgrades you might need are a better graphics card and some more RAM. Also you have to budget for the cost of P3D licences of any PMDG/A2A/FSL addons you have.

Supporting multiple versions of addons for numerous sim platforms is going to be an increasing problem for developers of complex addons, especially when FSW matures as a product. FSW is of course an alternate 64 bit upgrade path from FSX and potentially a much cheaper one.

I should point out that I'm running FSX Steam on a laptop that is very quickly running out of hard drive space (and by that, I mean I only have 35 gigabytes left on it), so I pretty much have no hope of being able to upgrade any components on it. My only alternative would be to get a desktop that's capable of running it with the possibility to upgrade components should the need arise. As for aircraft add-ons, the only one I have is the PMDG Boeing 747-400, so that isn't really an issue for me.

7 minutes ago, mtrainer said:

I'm on Windows 10 and I can't even get MS FS 2004 to work any more and I think FSX (boxed version) is busted too.   Not worrying about it.

That's unusual. You're certainly not the first person I've seen who wasn't able to get FS9 running on Windows 10, but some of us have managed to get it running on Windows 10, myself included, so that one baffles me.

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9 hours ago, mtrainer said:

KevinH has a good point, if developers are free from having to develop multiple versions for older, less capable platforms, it simply takes away time they could be spending giving more goodies in the top of the line version of the product.

This, from a fellow who flew 2004 FS for nearly 10 years (Level-D 767).....even though I had FSX during most of that time the FSX platform felt like a stutter-fest.  The high frame rates in 2004 version allowed for some of the best landings I've ever accomplished in a sim.  Nothing like high frame rates for landings!

Anyhow, my vote is to drop FSX, old versions of Prepar3D, and once we're all on the same page the add-on community will start delivering new features in spades.

I'm on Windows 10 and I can't even get MS FS 2004 to work any more and I think FSX (boxed version) is busted too.   Not worrying about it.

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Thank you but that wasn’t quite the point I was trying to make. The continuing development of P3D causes problems for developers as they have to keep updating old products to maintain compatibility. It takes up resources which would otherwise be creating new products. Inevitably older versions cease to be supported. New products take longer to develop as the platform evolves.

Clearly platform development is a good thing, as it creates new features and better simulation for developers to exploit. But it has a downside too.

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I suspect, with some effort, I could indeed get FS2004 up and running on Windows 10, but it doesn't seem worth the hassle anymore.  And I'm a software engineer by day- and I'm still to lazy to bother with it.  This spring the tax refund is going to fund an all new PC (I think this one is nearly 9 years old!   Although it has some upgrades like NVIDIA 1050ti, 24 GB of RAM, and a SSD) and am hoping for a much improved frame rate.

It's just my simple opinion of course, but Prepar3D V4 feels like a superset of FS2004 / FSX / FSX Steam, as well as Prepar3D V1-V3.  The reasons for hanging onto the older stuff are starting wane.

This coming from a 50s-ish curmudgeon who generally hates change!

Mark Trainer

 

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On 11/12/2017 at 10:46 PM, Captain Kevin said:

This is why I'm still on FSX. Once I am satisfied that those issues have been addressed, I will consider getting a new computer to make the switch.

Just know that the longer you wait, the more expensive it will be to re-purchase all your add-ons and such. If you're gonna get v4, you should start investing slowly or getting double licenses. I saved a lot of money on P3D that way

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1 hour ago, captainsazzman said:

Just know that the longer you wait, the more expensive it will be to re-purchase all your add-ons and such. If you're gonna get v4, you should start investing slowly or getting double licenses. I saved a lot of money on P3D that way

Most of the sceneries I have appear to only require one license that works for both FSX and P3D, so those won't be an issue. As for aircraft add-ons, the only one I have is the PMDG Boeing 747-400, so that won't be an issue, either. Either way, I don't have the money to buy a new computer right now in addition to other things I need to save my money for, so there isn't really much I can really do anyhow.

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17 hours ago, Captain Kevin said:

Most of the sceneries I have appear to only require one license that works for both FSX and P3D, so those won't be an issue. As for aircraft add-ons, the only one I have is the PMDG Boeing 747-400, so that won't be an issue, either. Either way, I don't have the money to buy a new computer right now in addition to other things I need to save my money for, so there isn't really much I can really do anyhow.

Good to see you got it all planned out. If you want the FSLabs, I think they have a discount too for v4

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4 hours ago, captainsazzman said:

Good to see you got it all planned out. If you want the FSLabs, I think they have a discount too for v4

I'm not planning on getting the FSLabs planes. Not really into flying the Airbus, and I mainly fly the Boeing jets. I don't have the PMDG 777 as I'd prefer to fly the -200ER, so I will definitely consider purchasing it if and when one is done (yes, I know the -200LR base pack is required). Also don't have the PMDG 737 as they don't have the split scimitar winglets available. The QualityWings 787 isn't available for P3D yet, so getting that one is out of the question at the present time. So I don't think I really have much to worry about since I would pretty much have to get a new license anyway if I'm going to fly these planes.

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3 hours ago, Captain Kevin said:

I'm not planning on getting the FSLabs planes. Not really into flying the Airbus, and I mainly fly the Boeing jets. I don't have the PMDG 777 as I'd prefer to fly the -200ER, so I will definitely consider purchasing it if and when one is done (yes, I know the -200LR base pack is required). Also don't have the PMDG 737 as they don't have the split scimitar winglets available. The QualityWings 787 isn't available for P3D yet, so getting that one is out of the question at the present time. So I don't think I really have much to worry about since I would pretty much have to get a new license anyway if I'm going to fly these planes.

You don‘t get the 737 because of the winglets... that‘s....  strange even for a hardcore nerd...

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