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PRO-ATC after recent patches

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Folks,

Could someone please comment on PATC improvements (if any) after the recent patches? Haven't touched it since 1.8.XXX

 

Thank you in advance

Dmitriy
 

 

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I'm a new user to PATC. Everything works just fine so far with excellent support.

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+1 and there forum is packed with valuable info.  Go see!

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1 hour ago, G-YMML1 said:

Folks,

Could someone please comment on PATC improvements (if any) after the recent patches? Haven't touched it since 1.8.XXX

 

Thank you in advance

Dmitriy
 

 

Be aware the old database is not supported and you will need to re-enter your data, for example custom aircraft parameters, way points, etc.

Apart from that all good.

Regards,
S

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Some users  with P3D version 3.4, including myself, are running into problems with 1922-1925, reported on the forum. I have stopped using it at this point, and gone back to PF3 until they fix it. Problem is either at Clearance or during descent, where P3D becomes unresponsive for as long as 10-15 seconds. 

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Had similar problems as before so nothing really new as far as I can tell. Had a missed waypoint, loss of sound, empty log (so no real support possible)... If it works it's really great but I fail to see what's really new with the latest version. 1.8 worked just as well if not better.

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3 hours ago, G-YMML1 said:

Folks,

Could someone please comment on PATC improvements (if any) after the recent patches? Haven't touched it since 1.8.XXX

 

Thank you in advance

Dmitriy
 

 

Go ahead and install it. Finally, after waiting for years, I could say it is the best ATC available.  

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I cannot see much improvements, if any at all. Regardless, it is still the best ATC program imo.

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Works as expected so far. What I realized: the pronounciation of "decimal" does never fit the other numbers, it rather sounds if someone else is speaking this single word. That is a little bit irritating...

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On 5/29/2018 at 6:20 PM, J van E said:

Had similar problems as before so nothing really new as far as I can tell. Had a missed waypoint, loss of sound, empty log (so no real support possible)... If it works it's really great but I fail to see what's really new with the latest version. 1.8 worked just as well if not better.

Unfortunately for new users, like me, that started off with version 1.9.2.2, version 1.8 or 1.9 can not be obtained as far as I know. I am one of the users that ran into problems with clearance. It is under investigation, wisest thing for me to do is to revert to 1.9.2.2. 

I am sure the problems will be resolved, though.

Kind regards,
Hans van Wijhe

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2 minutes ago, hvw said:

Unfortunately for new users, like me, that started off with version 1.9.2.2, version 1.8 or 1.9 can not be obtained as far as I know. I am one of the users that ran into problems with clearance. It is under investigation, wisest thing for me to do is to revert to 1.9.2.2. 

I am sure the problems will be resolved, though.

Kind regards,
Hans van Wijhe

Version 1919 will work OK, You can download it from the forum. 

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30 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Works as expected so far. What I realized: the pronounciation of "decimal" does never fit the other numbers, it rather sounds if someone else is speaking this single word. That is a little bit irritating...

Pretty much all pre-recorded speech systems need to "glue" together different bits of recordings, albeit by the same person, in order to fit in the changeable parts in the middle -- in this case probably the two parts of a COM radio frequency. it would be well nigh impossible to have all possibilities pre-recorded complete.

The only answer to that is using synthesised voices, the method of Pilot2ATC and VoxATC. With the quality of synthesis improving all the time, there are plenty of excellent voices available, with all sorts of accents to suit locations and so on. But they are expensive.

I'm currently experimenting with Pilot2ATC, which I like very much. ProATC/X has been my main ATC for the several years since I abandoned Radar Contact. But I might switch to Pilot2ATC and have been gradually collecting (i.e. purchasing) voices. I've got 12 now, enough to carry on with. But at £25-35 a pop, it has been very expensive!

You pays yer money and takes yer choice! (As the saying goes).

Pete

 

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1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Version 1919 will work OK, You can download it from the forum. 

Thanks a lot, Bob

Hans

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2 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

But I might switch to Pilot2ATC and have been gradually collecting (i.e. purchasing) voices. I've got 12 now, enough to carry on with. But at £25-35 a pop, it has been very expensive!

Where do you get the additional voices?

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3 hours ago, AnkH said:

Works as expected so far. What I realized: the pronounciation of "decimal" does never fit the other numbers, it rather sounds if someone else is speaking this single word. That is a little bit irritating...

The vocabulary has changed with this version. In previous versions numbers were pronounced differently or in various ways but now everyone is saying those numbers in the same way and saying 'decimal' has become the standard now. It seems (unfortunately) most existing voices don't have the word 'decimal' available so they all use that specific word from one voice set which does have it. Doesn't sound too good indeed.

It's a bit disappointing that the voices of ProATC seem to lag behind with the progress of the addon. A real PRO addon would have come with updated and complete voices.

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25 minutes ago, J van E said:

The vocabulary has changed with this version. In previous versions numbers were pronounced differently or in various ways but now everyone is saying those numbers in the same way and saying 'decimal' has become the standard now. It seems (unfortunately) most existing voices don't have the word 'decimal' available so they all use that specific word from one voice set which does have it. Doesn't sound too good indeed.

It's a bit disappointing that the voices of ProATC seem to lag behind with the progress of the addon. A real PRO addon would have come with updated and complete voices.

If it wasn't for volunteers ( I was one), making new voices for PATC, there wouldn't be any new ones  at all. Some of the default voices are not very good in my opinion. . 

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2 hours ago, newtie said:

Where do you get the additional voices?

Various place sell them.  There are some answers on the Pilot2ATC support forum. I think mine are mostly Ivona and Nuance, but purchased from harposoftware.com.  You can get packages of 4 or 6 or even 12, but I mostly chose individual ones after listening carefully.

I was mainly after clarity of speech. I wanted some overseas accents but many of them were rather too thick and I found them hard to understand. Maybe when I get more into Pilot2ATC and know what to expect to hear that won't be a problem.

Currently it isn't really worth getting more than 12 as you assign one per ATC function. I'm hoping Dave, the author, moves this on as promised so that he chooses more at random from a bunch of voices for each, and then ultimately chooses according to region too. THEN it might be worth while collecting a larger library -- over a period of course. At those prices they aren't something you want to buy a large bunch of in one go!

Pete

 

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26 minutes ago, Pete Dowson said:

Various place sell them.  There are some answers on the Pilot2ATC support forum. I think mine are mostly Ivona and Nuance, but purchased from harposoftware.com.  You can get packages of 4 or 6 or even 12, but I mostly chose individual ones after listening carefully.

I was mainly after clarity of speech. I wanted some overseas accents but many of them were rather too thick and I found them hard to understand. Maybe when I get more into Pilot2ATC and know what to expect to hear that won't be a problem.

Currently it isn't really worth getting more than 12 as you assign one per ATC function. I'm hoping Dave, the author, moves this on as promised so that he chooses more at random from a bunch of voices for each, and then ultimately chooses according to region too. THEN it might be worth while collecting a larger library -- over a period of course. At those prices they aren't something you want to buy a large bunch of in one go!

Pete

 

Wow, 10 voices about $300+. I have PF3 with 140 voices included. 

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8 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Wow, 10 voices about $300+. I have PF3 with 140 voices included. 

Yes pre-recorded ones with the same problems of stitching bits together to cope with all the different names, frequencies, numbers and so on. same as Radar Contact and ProATC/X of course but just more volunteered recordings.

Synthesised voices are very good these days. Take the likes of Amazon's Alexa, The Google equivalent (whatever his/her name is) or even MS's Siri, for instance. Much more natural. There are some free ones but they are less natural. And $300+ is really a very small proportion of what my cockpit investment has amounted to!

Pete

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pete Dowson said:

Yes pre-recorded ones with the same problems of stitching bits together to cope with all the different names, frequencies, numbers and so on. same as Radar Contact and ProATC/X of course but just more volunteered recordings.

Synthesised voices are very good these days. Take the likes of Amazon's Alexa, The Google equivalent (whatever his/her name is) or even MS's Siri, for instance. Much more natural. There are some free ones but they are less natural. And $300+ is really a very small proportion of what my cockpit investment has amounted to!

Pete

 

 

 

Hi Pete,

You got me interested in exploring Pilot2ATC, do you have any videos or resources available to check this software functionality with the voices you are mentioning?

Regards,
S.

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4 minutes ago, simbol said:

Hi Pete,

You got me interested in exploring Pilot2ATC, do you have any videos or resources available to check this software functionality with the voices you are mentioning?

Regards,
S.

Maybe look for video's of Pilot2ATC that use those voices for the best impression? Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWAK_omTog

I myself don't like that interface on screen all the time: I like how ProATC shows almost nothing unless you want or need it. As with everything else flightsim related the perfect ATC addon doesn't exist yet. 😉

 

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1 hour ago, J van E said:

Maybe look for video's of Pilot2ATC that use those voices for the best impression? Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWAK_omTog

I myself don't like that interface on screen all the time: I like how ProATC shows almost nothing unless you want or need it. As with everything else flightsim related the perfect ATC addon doesn't exist yet. 😉

 

Thanks that is what I wanted to have some reference to look the program, I agree with your comments about the interface as this was the reason I brought ProAtcX.

Just a silly question, can you just leave the interface minimised and interact with ATC forgetting about all the map, etc.?

Regards,
S.

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1 hour ago, simbol said:

You got me interested in exploring Pilot2ATC, do you have any videos or resources available to check this software functionality with the voices you are mentioning?

Sorry, no. There are videos on the Pilot2ATC website, in the Tutorials section (http://pilot2atc.com/Tutorials). Not sure what voices those are using, maybe just default MS.

You can listen to samples of the "upmarket" voices before you purchase, and (I think) even type in stuff for them to say.

1 hour ago, J van E said:

I myself don't like that interface on screen all the time:

I run Pilot2ATC on a separate PC, with WideFS. If you have no Network then you can reduce the P2A display quite considerably (there's a button to switch between your miniaturised one and the full one). Or, better, you can simply hide the screen altogether.

Since it is all voice controlled you never need to refer to its screen once you've connected and filed your plan. That's really the whole point! The functions you need are either voiced or controlled (like PTT) via assignable buttons or shortcuts. "SayIt" is one such function, which gets the PC to reply for you when you haven't got the copilot set to do it.

I can't even see the PC running my copy when I'm in the cockpit. Whilst i'm still learning,  in case I miss anything in the Clearance or Taxi instructions, I have a small display inside the cockpit which shows the "Conversation ext" the bottom right Window in P2A itself). That's displayed through new facilities in the latest Wideclient cooperating with a suite of Lua plug-ins also provided with it.

The same screen shows menus and messages which programs put up on the P3D screen, most of which are switched off there by a P3D4 option. It also shows the ASP4 weather data for the planned route, in an abbreviated form but useful for entering wid data into the CDU).

One of the advantages of synthesised voices is that you can slow them down or speed them up without them really changing, still sounding natural. So things you really need to extract data from (like Clearance) can be played slower.

Pete

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, simbol said:

Just a silly question, can you just leave the interface minimised and interact with ATC forgetting about all the map, etc.?

Yes, you don't need it at all once the plan is filed. See my preceding message.

Pete

 

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2 minutes ago, Pete Dowson said:

Yes, you don't need it at all once the plan is filed. See my preceding message.

Pete

 

Many thanks for your time to respond.

Regards,
S.

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