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Hyperthreading for P3D. Yes or no?

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With my new hardware and with P3D v4.4 I don't use PL anymore or add any AM setting in CFG. I let P3D doing the job and it does it quite well today.
With HT off, all 8 cores are equally working bellow 90%, temps are bellow 60C and the sim is smooth when limiting frames to 30fps.

- PC Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D //  Asus ROG Crosshair X870E HERO //  2x32Gb Corsair Dominator Titanium DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 //  ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition // 4Tb Corsair NVMe M.2 MP600  //  Corsair 1600W PSU
Samsung Odyssey Arc 55" curved 165 Hz monitor.
- Simulator Hardware: VIRPIL Constellation Alpha Prime + VIRPIL VPC Universal Control Panel - #3 + MOZA AY210 Force Feedback Yoke + WINWING URSA MINOR 32 Throttle & PAC Metal + WINWING SKYWALKER Metal Rudder Pedals + WINWING Airbus FCU & EFIS + WINWING Boeing 3N PAP + WINWING MCDU-32 + WINWING PFP-4 + WINWING PFP 3-N + WINWING PFP-7. 

   

 

 

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25 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Batchfiles start apps from within Windows with the choosen affinity settings.

All other apps push the affinity settings..

Steve W has written about that several times. Just use Search. 

What text would you use for Active Sky for example? I get the hex calculation, but how exactly would that work in an actual .bat text.

 

MSFS2020 ,P3D V5, Ryzen 3600 4.2GHZ, 32GB 3000 Ram, Nvidia GTX 1600 Super 6GB, 22 inch 75 hz Monitor , Windows 10 204, Toposim,   Orbx Global, Vector, Europe  N & S California LC, England Regions,  England, PMDG 737, 777, Majestic Q400 and Aerosoft Airbus A318-20.

That is exactly my scenario, turning HT off was the magic that made my sim come to life after getting stutters even on the 9900K, with plenty of ram and super fast storage.

20 hours ago, David Roch said:

Posts from 5 or 10 years ago are not anymore relevant.

I run P3D on a 9900K.
With HT: stutters.
Without HT: smooth.

Simply as that.

 

 

Janet Virtual Airline

MSFS2020 / XPlane
i9-9900K, 1070Ti, 32GB Ram, Honeycomb Alpha
 

2 hours ago, Langyboy63 said:

What text would you use for Active Sky for example? I get the hex calculation, but how exactly would that work in an actual .bat text.

I am not at home right now.

Tomorrow I will post an example...

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3 hours ago, GSalden said:

Batchfiles start apps from within Windows with the choosen affinity settings.

All other apps push the affinity settings..

Steve W has written about that several times. Just use Search. 

SimStarterNG can also control AF with addon programs. But to be honest with P3D v4.4 using all cores it's not really an issue with me now. I have HT enabled and everything is silky smooth.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

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That would be good, also I assume you run the program from the .bat rather than the exe, so perhaps you could explain how that bit works.

 

Appreciate you taking the time.

The Addons I have are UTL, Pro-Atcx, Active Sky, FFTF Dynamic, FSUIPC5 and Acars for Virtual Airline.

Windows 10 64 bit. So an example for any of these work be great.

 

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14 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

SimStarterNG can also control AF with addon programs. But to be honest with P3D v4.4 using all cores it's not really an issue with me now. I have HT enabled and everything is silky smooth.

SimStarter controls the AM pushed Ray so it is different from batchfiles.

The most important is that you are happy with your setup. 😀

Nothing else matters ...

5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 -  MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb -  Corsair 5400  case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set  - 3x 75’ TCL tv.

13600  6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - 

FOV : 200 degrees

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 -  MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb -  Corsair 5400  case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set  - 3x 75’ TCL tv.

13600  6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - 

FOV : 200 degrees

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

My take is that HT threads are faster than physical ones since they are virtual (speed of light).  Yea the CPU will run hotter.  Have always used it.  Use HT if you can.

Regards
bs 

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2 hours ago, bean_sprout said:

My take is that HT threads are faster than physical ones since they are virtual (speed of light).  Yea the CPU will run hotter.  Have always used it.  Use HT if you can.

Regards
bs 

bs indeed... :biggrin: 

Bert

I7 4790k ht on

4k hdtv 49inch at 25hz

tb vsync on unlimited FPS 

peocess lasso I have switched off the first LP which is 1 I believe 

0 234567 on for the sim 

mad Bert had advised some time ago 

and so far so good slight stutter

or if anybody else has any other advise for 4.4 

workd be appreciated 

 

thanks

mike

 

here and there 

 

31 minutes ago, mikeymike said:

I7 4790k ht on

4k hdtv 49inch at 25hz

tb vsync on unlimited FPS 

peocess lasso I have switched off the first LP which is 1 I believe 

0 234567 on for the sim 

 

I'll respond to your request for insight below -- this thread caused me to retest my settings with 4.4 now.

And I have found still -- on my hex core rig (8700K @ 5.0) for smoothness and no blurries I have to run HT=ON, and have P3D to use all cores.  
Vsync on / framelock 30.  (slight stutter with unlimited).   32" 4K screen at 30 refresh.
The only thing I use PL for is to get other apps / processes away from Core 0 and 1, and I may switch to letting FSUIPC5 handle that.  Or task manager.  Not sure yet.

The above is smooth and nice for my machine.

Now, as to your settings, all I can say is, if I deny P3D the use of all available cores (LP1 or whatever) it induces stuttering.

As always I am all ears for ways to get more out of what I have.  Good thread anyway.

 

 

Rhett

7800X3D 96 GB G.Skill Flare  Gigabyte 4090  Crucial P5 Plus 2TB

I don't understand this obsession to let Core 0 and 1 free for P3D for hexa or octo CPUs. They are not anymore the main core used by the simulator since P3D engine is using all available cores (P3D v4.xx).
What was true 2 years ago is not today's reality.

Here is the CPU usage, without AM.
(HT is OFF)
You can see all 8 cores working almost equally.

EKuXvN.jpg

Edited by David Roch

- PC Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D //  Asus ROG Crosshair X870E HERO //  2x32Gb Corsair Dominator Titanium DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 //  ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition // 4Tb Corsair NVMe M.2 MP600  //  Corsair 1600W PSU
Samsung Odyssey Arc 55" curved 165 Hz monitor.
- Simulator Hardware: VIRPIL Constellation Alpha Prime + VIRPIL VPC Universal Control Panel - #3 + MOZA AY210 Force Feedback Yoke + WINWING URSA MINOR 32 Throttle & PAC Metal + WINWING SKYWALKER Metal Rudder Pedals + WINWING Airbus FCU & EFIS + WINWING Boeing 3N PAP + WINWING MCDU-32 + WINWING PFP-4 + WINWING PFP 3-N + WINWING PFP-7. 

   

 

 

6 hours ago, David Roch said:

I don't understand this obsession to let Core 0 and 1 free for P3D for hexa or octo CPUs. They are not anymore the main core used by the simulator since P3D engine is using all available cores (P3D v4.xx).
What was true 2 years ago is not today's reality.

Here is the CPU usage, without AM.
(HT is OFF)
You can see all 8 cores working almost equally.

EKuXvN.jpg

By default P3D starts on core 0 for the main thread and other cores are mainly for terrain loading.

My main thread core is always near 100% while the others are 20-30%. That is with heavy scenery.

 

Edited by GSalden

5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 -  MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb -  Corsair 5400  case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set  - 3x 75’ TCL tv.

13600  6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - 

FOV : 200 degrees

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

8 hours ago, David Roch said:

I don't understand this obsession to let Core 0 and 1 free for P3D for hexa or octo CPUs. They are not anymore the main core used by the simulator since P3D engine is using all available cores (P3D v4.xx).
What was true 2 years ago is not today's reality.

Here is the CPU usage, without AM.
(HT is OFF)
You can see all 8 cores working almost equally.

EKuXvN.jpg

Sorry David... there may be times when all cores are busy, but stay still for a while and watch what happens. :cool:

Edited by Bert Pieke

Bert

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