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Navigraph sold the results to the highest bidder and that company is keeping it secret. :wink:

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Oh not more conspiracy theories ... any more and I’ll start losing IQ points 🙂

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I'm looking forward seeing how much competition XP (and the rest) is for P3D.

Hopefully P3D is an overwhelming winner by such a huge landslide, that XP and the rest will be compelled to either get much better, much faster, or go home!

There is and has been too much wasting time and resources in other failing projects....this has to stop, maybe this survey will help.

 

 

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I just spoke with Magnus and Richard over there a few days ago... and I meant to ask but forgot (I was focused on an inter-developmental issue at hand).  I'll write to Magnus (for those who don't know him, he's an absolutely wonderful person and Richard's support is TOP NOTCH)!

Anyway, I'll shoot them a quick email and report back here.

 

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Thanks Dave, appreciate it ... primarily interested is number of respondents overall and gauge if the FS Market is Bear or Bull.  The only reason I took the time to complete the survey was the promise for Dec 17th results being available.

Cheers, Rob. 

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1 hour ago, pracines said:

I'm looking forward seeing how much competition XP (and the rest) is for P3D.

Hopefully P3D is an overwhelming winner by such a huge landslide, that XP and the rest will be compelled to either get much better, much faster, or go home!

There is and has been too much wasting time and resources in other failing projects....this has to stop, maybe this survey will help.

 

 

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It´s really strange that after 10 or more sponsors were behind a so extensive poll that took to almost of all us more than 15 minutes to complete, Navigraph or anyone of the sponsors are not mentioning anything about the date of release of the results, originally promissed for yesterday.

Cheers, Ed

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Guess the culprit is, they forgot to include War Thunder!  That's the winner, for sure!

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How much are people willing to spend ...  for example lets say the results are 1,000,000 XP11 users spending $10/mo vs. 500,000 P3D users spending $30/mo ... that's the type of decision data for me ... there is no good or bad, only interpretation.

Cheers, Rob. 

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Interesting the developers that took part but just as interesting the ones that did not, and the sim they most develop for know.

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2 hours ago, edpatino said:

It´s really strange that after 10 or more sponsors were behind a so extensive poll that took to almost of all us more than 15 minutes to complete, Navigraph or anyone of the sponsors are not mentioning anything about the date of release of the results, originally promissed for yesterday.

Cheers, Ed

I didn't bother to complete the survey, after I realized that I had a lot better things to do with my time and it seemed like the purpose was for Navigraph to provide the results to the sponsors. Even after the survey results are publically released, they will be subject to criticism. But that's the nature of voluntary online surveys.

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16 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I didn't bother to complete the survey, after I realized that I had a lot better things to do with my time...

Better things but you don’t list them. It took me 15 mins or so and I was happy to help Navigraph who provide a great service to the flight sim community.

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21 hours ago, pracines said:

I'm looking forward seeing how much competition XP (and the rest) is for P3D.

Hopefully P3D is an overwhelming winner by such a huge landslide, that XP and the rest will be compelled to either get much better, much faster, or go home!

There is and has been too much wasting time and resources in other failing projects....this has to stop, maybe this survey will help.

 

 

Well, considering the traction that XP has gained in the last year, perhaps it’s the other way around?

In any case, competition is good! I think we would not even not have 64 bit, Dynamic Lightning and/or PBR in P3D without it...

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Competition is HEALTHY and drives development, in the long run. In the short run some devs might curtail or postpone plans or future development. I get the argument that the community is small and having a high percentage of the market drives product, but ONLY in the short run. Over time the health of the hobby depends on multiple platforms and developers willing to COMPETE. Look at the success of DCS in the face of what appeared to be overwhelming odds. I have an unopened copy of XP11 sitting right here. At some point i will load it up next to my DCS.

A VERY long term project is to learn how to configure my six existing GoFlight modules along with my MCP Pro and EFIS that hopefully get here before XXXX freezes over with Pollypot's GIT. Of note, looking over the Pollypot software page and the GIT forums, it would appear XP11 is the preferred platform for writing modules using GIT. That discovery spoke volumes for me. These are the ultimate simmers and they prefer to work on one platform over another. Interesting....

And Yup... I gave them 20 minutes for the survey.

Cheers,

Bob

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Rob, et al,

The lads at Navigraph haven't gotten to me about this yet... which tells me that they aren't ready to publish the data yet (the data has to be reviewed, the associated web page has to be created, etc.).  I know some of these guys, and they are hard working devoted people, and I'm sure we'll see the data as soon as they have it ready.

Hey, while we wait... does anyone know how Navigraph really got started?  I'd be happy to give you an abbreviated version... but I'd first like to know if anyone else knows/remembers.  It's an important story to our collective history.

 

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Wouldn't you know it... I press Save to the above post and within seconds I got an email back from Navigraph, which says:

The reportings and statistics of all questions are finished and the document also in a first draft. We are now working ALL (means the whole Navigraph team) on the final version. It looks very good, to finalize all and to offer it soon for all.

 

 

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With only "more than 15,000" responses, I'm not sure this survey was worth the effort, especially with all the other organizations participating. 

I was hoping for hundreds of thousands of responses myself...oh well.

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2 hours ago, pracines said:

With only "more than 15,000" responses, I'm not sure this survey was worth the effort, especially with all the other organizations participating. 

I was hoping for hundreds of thousands of responses myself...oh well.

Seems rather low but put it to use in combo with other surveys from Aerosoft and Avsims very own, plus whoever else has micro surveys and it should give a bigger true picture.

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I don't think I ever voted in any Navigraph survey.  I must be slipping.  I do remember participating in one here, and another at Aerosoft.

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I don't mind if the survey was sponsored. But I do mind being told that the results will be made available on a specific day when they are not,  without any formal updates.  That's just altogether bad.

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14 hours ago, GCBraun said:

Well, considering the traction that XP has gained in the last year, perhaps it’s the other way around?

Yup, I got the impression from the Flight sim show at Cosford this year that stuff for XPlane was getting the most enquiries and a couple of the companies exhibiting there told me that was indeed the case. It doesn't actually surprise me that much. P3D is not widely advertised whereas XPlane is on Steam, so it is exposed to a vastly wider audience.

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The problem I see is if you have three developers do there own survey you may get three different results based on the users of there products.

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47 minutes ago, rjfry said:

The problem I see is if you have three developers do there own survey you may get three different results based on the users of there products.

That's true of any survey for a given topic. Results will always vary based on who you are able to reach.

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On the subject of surveys I did one a few weeks ago from a large software company not well liked by some simmers, who's software we use and flight sim came up in the survey how often you use it and which sim which included all the present sims, I did not take part in the Navigraph survey and I bet very few if any flight simmers did the survey by that biggest software company, who according to some did wrong by dropping flight sim. 

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