2 hours ago, SunDevil56 said:

If the HUD is indeed set to 18fps, and if it's not noticeable by most people, which by far seems to be the prevailing experience most users are reporting, what would account for the refresh rate apparently being a big issue for a very small number of people..??

People are different and have radically different perceptions of things, especially when it comes to inherently slippery concepts like “fluidity” or “smoothness.” Think of the perennial debate around here about whether 24 FPS (or 20, or 18) can be smooth. I know where I come down on that and I bet you do too.

I’m not saying you should be unhappy with the the QW refresh rate! If it works for you, great. You’re gaining performance with no loss in quality. But I think it’s misguided (at best) to suggest that the people who perceive the gauges as sluggish or jerky are somehow being disingenuous. They’re really not! And this is exactly why QW at least theoretically included a way to up the refresh rate — because they knew people’s preferences on this would vary.

James

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread in one way or the other. It's helped me to make up my mind in terms of purchasing this awesome aircraft. Can't wait until I get home from work and jump into the VC.

Cheers fellas! 🙂

6 minutes ago, honanhal said:

suggest that the people who perceive the gauges as sluggish or jerky are somehow being disingenuous.

Where did this happen? Most respondents to that idea suggested that the people who perceive the gauges as sluggish have some sort of problem with their setup -- either hardware that can't handle the load, or something else.

That's not at all an unlikely concept when you're talking about flight simulation. Sometimes I think the "this isn't a game, it's for education" requirement of the p3d license is referring to learning about properly configuring everything so that p3d actually works right. 😉

Flight simulation is not a turn-key endeavor, and it's not at all unusual for someone to have something wrong somewhere that makes certain things behave badly. Oftentimes it's something that, at least on the surface, should have absolutely nothing to do with the problem.

 

 

3 minutes ago, honanhal said:

People are different and have radically different perceptions of things, especially when it comes to inherently slippery concepts like “fluidity” or “smoothness.” Think of the perennial debate around here about whether 24 FPS (or 20, or 18) can be smooth. I know where I come down on that and I bet you do too.

I’m not saying you should be unhappy with the the QW refresh rate! If it works for you, great. You’re gaining performance with no loss in quality. But I think it’s misguided (at best) to suggest that the people who perceive the gauges as sluggish or jerky are somehow being disingenuous. They’re really not! And this is exactly why QW at least theoretically included a way to up the refresh rate — because they knew people’s preferences on this would vary.

James

Thanks for the explanation James, that makes sense.

With regard to the line I put in bold letters, i'm not sure who you are referring to, but I wasn't in any way suggesting that anyone was being disingenuous with comments about sluggish refresh rates on the HUD, I was simply to trying to get a better understanding of what the source of the issue was, and you explained it quite well. 

As to the theoretical way to up the refresh rate... At least it's something the seemingly few people that are experiencing this issue can try, and if it works, that's great...

14 minutes ago, SunDevil56 said:

Thanks for the explanation James, that makes sense.

With regard to the line I put in bold letters, i'm not sure who you are referring to, but I wasn't in any way suggesting that anyone was being disingenuous with comments about sluggish refresh rates on the HUD, I was simply to trying to get a better understanding of what the source of the issue was, and you explained it quite well. 

As to the theoretical way to up the refresh rate... At least it's something the seemingly few people that are experiencing this issue can try, and if it works, that's great...

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4 minutes ago, ShezA said:

Finally! 🙂

Well Shez, I simply wasn't aware of the whole "perception to fluidity" thing, so how about cutting a guy a break eh.?

4 minutes ago, SunDevil56 said:

Well Shez, I simply wasn't aware of the whole "perception to fluidity" thing, so how about cutting a guy a break eh.?

Whoops! Sorry not for you. Too quick on the buttons there. That was for the previous post (Jocko Flocko). He had finally got his initial question answered...finally.

Just now, ShezA said:

Whoops! Sorry not for you. Too quick on the buttons there. That was for the previous post (Jocko Flocko). He had finally got his initial question answered...finally.

LOL.. No worries Shez, and thanks for clarifying that.

As for the too quick on the buttons thing... I hate it when that happens...🤣

I'm still not comfortable with this perception of fluidity and refresh rate argument on the HUD. Maybe I'm just old, but I do not notice any significant difference in fluidity, jerkiness or usability between the 787 HUD and the HUD on another very popular add-on by P**G. So when I read such remarks, my first reaction is someone either has a set-up problem or they're just slagging an aircraft because the have an axe to grind. Sorry if this offends, but i just call them as i see them.

@ShezA Question? I don't believe I asked a question bro, I just gave thanks to folks in this thread for their input regarding this aircraft. 😉

1 hour ago, eslader said:

Where did this happen? Most respondents to that idea suggested that the people who perceive the gauges as sluggish have some sort of problem with their setup -- either hardware that can't handle the load, or something else.

Looking again, you’re exactly right here. I was a little too quick to read between the lines! (Speaking of misguided 😀)

James

I think jerky and unusable are two different things. I do not personally think the displays or hud are unusable.

The displays don’t update faster than 18 hz as is the case with many other addon aircraft. So yes it could be perceived as a little jerky compared to a normal 30+ hz.

I think the 737, 777, and 747 from pmdg are the only ones I own that are capable of going higher but I limit them as well for performance. But just about every other aircraft in my hanger has the same issue so why pick on QW?

 

26 minutes ago, JasonPC said:

I think the 737, 777, and 747 from pmdg are the only ones I own that are capable of going higher but I limit them as well for performance. But just about every other aircraft in my hanger has the same issue so why pick on QW?

The HUD in the Majestic Q400 is way better than what’s in the QW787 and it’s in the same price range... just sayin’...

Yes I was going to say that one I left out (though I don’t have the hud version). Majestic doesn’t rely on most of the native FSX/P3D system architecture. So they have gotten around many engine limitations.

I have had way worse problems with jerky displays on the FSLabs a320 but I haven’t flown it with any recent updates (waiting on the big mythical mega update).

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On 3/6/2019 at 2:39 PM, scottsware said:

I'll chime in again.  I fly the 787 at work and I'm very pleased with the QW 787. I also agree with the title of this thread 😀

I do get the occasional glitch but I get glitches with every software program I've ever dealt with.

You actually get LNAV/VNAV glitches in the real 787 (you did say "every software program you've ever dealt with")? WOW

Blanket statements that try to justify or settle for glitches/errors/bugs in programs, which causes the stated feature list to contain falsehoods, does not do this tiny community any good.

Don't worry I know what you meant, but harm is being done more than good.

Just think if the real 787 behaved with the glitches the QW 787 has, you and possibly hundreds of people could/would be dead or at least in grave danger. The real 787 would have been canned and remain canned until fixed  - remember the batteries? same...same. The QW feature list and the QW price is why this matters.