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PBR coming in next update.

 

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It would be nice to see some kind of side by side comparison of PBR vs non PBR. The only big difference I see is with metallic paints, like the old AA scheme. Not criticizing at all, just trying to notice the difference.

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Looks awsome I wonder if the cockpit will get any PBR updates

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Has VNAV or LNAV been fixed? I'm asking because I don't know, and I don't mean "improved" I mean operating as LNAV and VNAV in a 787 is expected to. PBR is fine and dandy but does not help operate the plane realistically. If LNAV and VNAV are fixed then I can see why QW moved on to PBR, but I didn't see any report on such a fix. 

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Good question. But they do know about it. 

I can complete a whole (programmed) flight (eg. Seattle to San-Fran), but I have to baby sit the auto pilot and help it along during descent. Having said this, the approach mode works well when it works. Last time I flew, the auto put me right on the threshold at landing speed which I found impressive.

Does it always work and will they fix the VNAV and LNAV in the next update? I hope so but not  so sure.

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Nice, but to me, I agree with those that complain a little bit about where QW put the focus. In my case, I am eagerly waiting for a 787-10, not for a PBR one. I hope that at least some of the bugs are also addressed and not only eye candy stuff...

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Sure, it's pretty, but also prone to CTD and has a whole host of bugs..

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9 hours ago, VH-RAY said:

Looks awsome I wonder if the cockpit will get any PBR updates

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I hope they fix the LNAV VNAV behavior first.

The aircraft looks great with PBR but I'm also hoping they apply it to the VC, given that this is where all the 'oooh'ing' and 'ahhh'ing' should be coming from.

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36 minutes ago, ErichB said:

I hope they fix the LNAV VNAV behavior first.

The aircraft looks great with PBR but I'm also hoping they apply it to the VC, given that this is where all the 'oooh'ing' and 'ahhh'ing' should be coming from.

Precisely, Erich. Aesthetics comes last compared to fundamental issues which come first. That's one of the reasons I have not dived in and bought this from QW.

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I don't know how resources are split in the QW team, but it's quite possible the guy doing the PBR work isn't the guy responsible for systems/gauge programming, so doing PBR wouldn't necessarily delay any fixes for Lnav etc.  

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1 minute ago, vc10man said:

Precisely, Erich. Aesthetics comes last compared to fundamental issues which come first. That's one of the reasons I have not dived in and bought this from QW.

I bought it months ago but have flown it once.  Flawed LNAV VNAV logic is an immersion killer.

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3 minutes ago, Dave CBFS said:

I don't know how resources are split in the QW team, but it's quite possible the guy doing the PBR work isn't the guy responsible for systems/gauge programming, so doing PBR wouldn't necessarily delay any fixes for Lnav etc.  

Agree Dave, but  given that this aircraft has been about for almost a year now, you'd have thought they would have addressed the LNAV VNAV issues by now - notwithstanding that it was in development for a number of years.

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41 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Agree Dave, but  given that this aircraft has been about for almost a year now, you'd have thought they would have addressed the LNAV VNAV issues by now - notwithstanding that it was in development for a number of years.

Again, salient points there, Erich.

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To me, the question whether a flight can be saved and continued is of first importance. If this works, I can still continue after a CTD and not much time is lost. I hope this will be fixed. A number of people have mentioned this issue in the forum but, unfortunately, there was no reply.

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3 hours ago, John_Tavendale said:

Sure, it's pretty, but also prone to CTD and has a whole host of bugs..

I agree. This is the only aircraft in my stable which causes a CTD. Unknown reasons. 

On the other hand I don't have many issues with the LNAV and VNAV. Maybe I am missing it.

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I hope we don't get into a situation over the next twelve months where every developer and his dog starts shouting out "look at our fantastic PBR textures" whilst ignoring other rather more important issues that need to be sorted out.

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Just curious what VNAV LNAV issues people are having? Ive flown it a number of times and dont see anything major.  The turns are a little wonky on LNAV but its corrected. VNAV mostly been on point but if I see it get out of hand a bit, I take over with V/S. And never had a CTD once. 

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So, nice PBR on the outside, same atrocious framerate on the displays on the inside?

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24 minutes ago, HighTowers said:

Just curious what VNAV LNAV issues people are having? Ive flown it a number of times and dont see anything major.  The turns are a little wonky on LNAV but its corrected. VNAV mostly been on point but if I see it get out of hand a bit, I take over with V/S. And never had a CTD once. 

Ditto here.

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1 hour ago, HighTowers said:

Just curious what VNAV LNAV issues people are having? Ive flown it a number of times and dont see anything major.  The turns are a little wonky on LNAV but its corrected. VNAV mostly been on point but if I see it get out of hand a bit, I take over with V/S. And never had a CTD once. 

Add me to the list of not having any issues. I enjoy flying this plane. 

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13 hours ago, pracines said:

Has VNAV or LNAV been fixed? I'm asking because I don't know, and I don't mean "improved" I mean operating as LNAV and VNAV in a 787 is expected to. PBR is fine and dandy but does not help operate the plane realistically. If LNAV and VNAV are fixed then I can see why QW moved on to PBR, but I didn't see any report on such a fix. 

Priorities dude... this is the only bird in my fleet that CTD's for me ever since I moved to v4.

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Wise87, SunDevil56 and HighTowers: I'd be very interested to know whether you can save a flight, e.g. over the Atlantic, shut down the sim and continue that flight the next day without issues.

Thanks for the info.

Chris Kuehne

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10 hours ago, John_Tavendale said:

Sure, it's pretty, but also prone to CTD and has a whole host of bugs..

I agree. I find myself coming back to the 787 once in a while but, get discouraged with the CTD's at random points, or flaws with LNAV\VNAV, inconsistency with step climbs and other options that were previously enabled.

I really want this bird to succeed. I'm hoping the next update fixes a lot of those issues. Consistency is key.

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3 minutes ago, Tino said:

I agree. I find myself coming back to the 787 once in a while but, get discouraged with the CTD's at random points, or flaws with LNAV\VNAV, inconsistency with step climbs and other options that were previously enabled.

I really want this bird to succeed. I'm hoping the next update fixes a lot of those issues. Consistency is key.

*Topic derail alert*

Sante! How's the Quito release? 🙂

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3 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

How's the Quito release?

Topic Derail Alert #2 !

What? FB doing a Quito? Now you have me salivating😀

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