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It looks interesting but definitely need an actual competent review to pull the trigger. Could easily just be a snake-oil addon that artificially jacks up some turbulence sliders to unrealistic amounts.

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I have acquired Realturb oceania but haven't had a chance to fly yet. I'll pop back here to post my thoughts once I've had a chance to fly it.

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I purchased it yesterday and have been trying it out.  I haven't seen much effect yet, but then I don't do a whole lot of mountain flying.

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I purchased it but also haven't installed it yet.  I see a lot of very good reviews on SimMarket for the Greek area version.

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Interested if the turbulence is always the same around mountainous areas or if it takes the strength/shear of aloft winds interacting with terrain into account. What about mountain wave in the upper flight levels east of the Rockies when the jetstream is strong? Instant buy if this is simulated.

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A2A C182 together with AS4 and EZDOC 3 a good first impression. I did not excpect that. But that was just the first flight from 1S0 to KYKM 05/24 1644Z with this addon. I will do some more flights and report here.
RealTurb does not add any shaking effects but the atmosphere and all effects feel more defined, so far I have no regrets buying this. Second flight will be KYKM to CYCD.

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Doesn't Activesky already do this? very confused about this addon.  Maybe it is geared towards people who do not have ActiveSky or other third party weather addons

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no the documentation actually recommends using AS, it is compatible with it. I have not really seen any difference in terms of turbulence so far though...

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Just now, Skywolf said:

Doesn't Activesky already do this? very confused about this addon.  Maybe it is geared towards people who do not have ActiveSky or other third party weather addons

Asked that very question in the comment section on fselite. Thought Active Sky already injected relevant turbulence based on METAR / terrain;

https://hifisimtech.com/asp4
 

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High-Fidelity Air Effects

Wake Turbulence, Microbursts, Downdrafts, Updrafts, Terrain-influenced Drafts, Thermals and more!

 

That's why I'm afraid this just turns turbulence up 200%, as it already interacts with Active Sky based on the description, the claims it's realistic. Could easily just shake the plane about unrealistically, make a video of it crabbing and slap a price tag on it.

That's why you need someone with real knowledge of this stuff to give it a look.

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Just did a flight from Vail KEGE to KDEN.  Impressed with the effect.  Not a lot of bouncing around, but a definite difference.  Also got a nice downdraft approaching KDEN

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2 hours ago, Skywolf said:

Doesn't Activesky already do this? very confused about this addon.  Maybe it is geared towards people who do not have ActiveSky or other third party weather addons

That’s what I thought too, I’m almost certain Active Sky creates turbulence based on terrain at low altitudes, I’ve Been knocked around in GA aircraft at low altitudes over the Rockies before.

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General thoughts, i like what the program does but it is quite aggressive. I flew into YMML last night with winds in the 14 Gusting 24 range, straight down RW34, and the turbulence was severe all the way down from about 6000ft. No turbulence mentioned in the METAR or TAF and winds aloft were not particularly high.,

Certainly there are some ActiveSky sliders that can be tweaked here but overall I'm enjoying the challenge!

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Hmm, this software is a bit dubious to me.

1) There is no handbook. At least I could not find one.

2) No uninstall option. This really makes it hard to compare.

3) The developer has a Facebook page, that's it. They released addons before and stated all effects had to be hand placed so bigger regions are not possible. All of a sudden some weeks later they got the technology to auto process large areas.

I like the idea of the product and if it realy does what it promises it should be worth the price for GA and Bushflying. I believe it does the job but could not test it because I don't know how to disable it. I checked the debugging menu in AS4 and it seems to let AS4 generate thermals more frequently above ridges for example and it feels good. Also it does not just generate turbulences. If anyone knows more about realturb, please share your knowledge.

Conclusion at the moment: I am not sure about the benefits because it can be just imagination on my site.

 

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Okay found the option to disable it in the addons menu. Also the handbook is to be found in the addons folder. Thats good to know and I like it. Next step is the test with and without Realturb. I am curious. Last flight I had some nice turbulences at Seattle right behind the sky scrapers. With the wind from the sea that is fantastic and some thing AS4 does not account for. Fingers crossed. 😋

 

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FsGlobal weather had a feature for localised wx effects. 

What gets installed in the Sims folder with this addon? Is it a scenery area or is this some kind of DLL which reads sim data and then manipulates the handling?

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19 minutes ago, kand said:

FsGlobal weather had a feature for localised wx effects. 

What gets installed in the Sims folder with this addon? Is it a scenery area or is this some kind of DLL which reads sim data and then manipulates the handling?

it is a DLL loaded via Add-on (check add-ons options in P3D)

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On 5/25/2019 at 8:22 PM, Sethos1988 said:

That's why you need someone with real knowledge of this stuff to give it a look.

Sethos was right, it seems to be a money grab. Would be nice to have a reaction from the devs. How can a .dll with out any sign of terrain data have such influence on the region? Where is that analyzed data? Until there are some answers from sombody with more knwoledge about such things I would not recommend it. It changes the behavior of the plane. But for the better or worse I cant tell. I hope I am wrong but for now I uninstalled it. 

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I'm not sure what everyone is concerned about.  It added some nice features over the rockies that AS didn't.  Not sure I would call it a money grab.  It doesn't do much more, but I like it

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11 hours ago, Rasterfahnder said:

it seems to be a money grab

 It is a fantastic addon. It does not do what ASP4 does, it adds to it.

For example. North West winds on a gusty approach over Cook Strait approaching R34 at NZWN. What Real Turb does, is give you those weird and wonderful weather effects that are unique to the area you are flying into.

Have not regretted my purchase one bit.

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@ZKOKQ

Nice, glad you like it. By any chance can you share time and date of that approach? When I tested it I had the AS4 debugging monitor open and could not detect any added effect that was not generated by AS and then altered by RealTurb. It sure felt different. I did just four test flights over the Rockies in the A2A C182. I can be wrong. If it was called AS4-enhancement tool or such great. But they claim to add effects to every hill and mountain. I just did not have that. Would be nice to test it further.

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To throw my 2 cents into this - I purchased the Oceania pack and sent the Developer an email regarding it's integration with Active Sky and Chaseplane.

 

Quote response - "Chaseplane is a matter of taste since it's only cockpit effects and not actual turbulence on the aircraft. It should work fine together with RealTurb if you use your favorite settings. Regarding ActiveSky, it doesn't matter what settings you use because when RealTurb is in control it will induce the required effects after any ActiveSky settings. This is to ensure that effects reach the user as intended and not as random results based on settings. In other words ActiveSky settings will still affect all other aspects of the sim as they did before but not RealTurb effects."

I have had mixed results with the Oceania pack. I flew into NZWN @ 16 gusting 25kts and noticed enhanced effects from mountains. I then flew to NZMF (Milford Sound) with 30 kts and would have expected quite a severe @## kicking, but it didn't eventuate. 

 

Make of this information as you will.

Cheers.

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14 hours ago, Rasterfahnder said:

How can a .dll with out any sign of terrain data have such influence on the region? Where is that analyzed data?

The program could use the SimConnect API to read the elevation data from the sim using "RequestGroundInfoOnSimObject" plus the relevant weather data with "WeatherRequestObservationAtNearestStation". The real trick would be the algorithm that combines the information and calculates the turbluence, then either shakes your aircraft directly or creates thermal zones for you to fly through that have the same effect. But an app like that probably wouldn't be region specific, it works everywhere. IIRC CumulusX laid the groundwork for this type of addon. If you are interested in how this works, I think that the author of Cumulus X posted all his initial research online - but that must have been almost 10 years ago.

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