4 minutes ago, nickhod said:

Pretty much any time you're seeing the exterior of a plane, it's ray traced. If you look closely you'll see the real reflections of the objects around it on the paintwork, not a sampled "reflection probe" best guess (like current sims use).

The sun light on the river also could be ray traced, but there are other ways of achieving the same effect.

The reality is that users without 2070/80 RTX cards wont see this (i.e. most of them for a few years).

To be honest until MS publish the minimum system requirements, we are not going to know for sure what we need to see the results in the 3 seconds clips.

Simbol 

Just now, simbol said:

To be honest until MS publish the minimum system requirements, we are not going to know for sure what we need to see the results in the 3 seconds clips.

No other cards do real-time ray tracing at acceptable frame rates, and those are real-time ray tracing effects, so we can at least know that much.

That's not to say that the rest of the game would necessarily require such high end kit though. If it's been optimised for XBox, we might be pleasantly surprised by the down level hardware it will run on.

How can there possibly be a dealbreaker for this? It's 2019. MS bathes in the money they make, and yet they're bothering to relaunch this  brand. They have the wherewithal to publicly banter with this particular  (notoriously self-important) community. MSFS is about to re-benchmark this hobby for the next generation. I guess the idea of change will be the deal breaker because XP11 and P3D are clearly two sides of the perfect sim-sandwich.

The only possible deal breaker for me is if I can't run the sim due to bandwidth limitations.  Otherwise it is a definite buy.

Hook

30 minutes ago, nickhod said:

No other cards do real-time ray tracing at acceptable frame rates, and those are real-time ray tracing effects, so we can at least know that much.

Assuming of course what we are seeing is Ray tracing.

I am sure MS will confirm later after reading our posts 😉.

Regards 

S.

Are any Navi variants confirmed to offer Ray Tracing do we know?

 

(Project Scarlett is using Navi, which is why I bring it up)

58 minutes ago, LHookins said:

The only possible deal breaker for me is if I can't run the sim due to bandwidth limitations.  Otherwise it is a definite buy.

Hook

We don't know this yet.
It may well be a base world with some nice custom areas that you can upgrade in blocks to download the hi-res areas you want just like we do now.

That would make for some nice addon sales for MS and avoid having to be connected to the web for streaming scenery.

 

Wait a minute!

Every major post, press release and announcement from MSFS have all been deal-makers for me, and I think for those like me with decades long solid histories of favouring the long line of MS flight simulation programs.

There is every reason to think the new MSFS will be by far the best in every area and specialty than we have seen before with combinations of Microsoft and private advanced developments and converging co-operating sciences needed and demanded by our user groups. 

This will excite teenyboppers and crusty old Captains equally. There are Deal-maker worthy announcements and provisions galore. Deal-breakers delusions are all imaginary fears at this point. There is nary-a-one in sight..

Kindest regards,

Spirit Flyer 

Stephen

Edited August 17, 20196 yr by SpiritFlyer

No VR, no buy.

7 hours ago, LHookins said:

The only possible deal breaker for me is if I can't run the sim due to bandwidth limitations.  Otherwise it is a definite buy.

Hook

That’s an issue for me as my provider has caps and is expensive for really high speed. Plus the speeds are variable and not always as fast as they should be.

Plus I’ll have to go to Win 10 and upgrade my rig which was built in 2013 and on Win 7. I could upgrade it to Win 10 but might as well go with a whole new system since I’ll need it anyway.

I don’t care about VR support since I’m not comfortable wearing something on my head covering my eyes.

20 minutes ago, cmpbellsjc said:

my provider has caps

Same here, 25 gig per month.  I think people who haven't lived with caps don't understand what kind of limitations they put you under.  For example, not being able to watch YouTube except during a late night free zone.  I mean, not watch At All... only 800 meg per day shared among four people.  Forget about a movie.  I can handle real world weather updates in the sim, that's about it.

 

24 minutes ago, cmpbellsjc said:

Plus I’ll have to go to Win 10

Keep your Win 7 rig and get a new one for Win 10.  The good news is, while Win 10 has things I don't care for, I found a lot of things I typically do were streamlined.  One of the first things I did was replace the mail app with OEClassic.

 

26 minutes ago, cmpbellsjc said:

I don’t care about VR support since I’m not comfortable wearing something on my head covering my eyes.

You and me both.  I'm hoping someone will think outside the box and give us a solution that doesn't totally shut out the real world.

Hook

2 hours ago, SpiritFlyer said:

Every major post, press release and announcement from MSFS have all been deal-makers for me, and I think for those like me with decades long solid histories of favouring the long line of MS flight simulation programs.

I've been flight-simming since the mid 80s, I have also hold real life sailplane and ultralight licences (expired due to age).

I am quite happy with my current setup (P3DV44, ORBX TrueEarth, ActiveSky, Accu-Feel, several high fidelity aircraft).  There has not been a deal maker for me yet. I am impressed with the clouds and the grass in MSFS, but this is not enough to scrap everything that works fine for me.

I do know however under which conditions there will be definitely no deal.

BTW, here on AVSIM there are people still using FS9 or older.  To each his own.

Edited August 17, 20196 yr by dilore

22 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Same here, 25 gig per month.  I think people who haven't lived with caps don't understand what kind of limitations they put you under.  For example, not being able to watch YouTube except during a late night free zone.  I mean, not watch At All... only 800 meg per day shared among four people.  Forget about a movie.  I can handle real world weather updates in the sim, that's about it.

I’m on ATT and my cap is 1 terabyte and all my tv is from streaming via PSVue and Sling but I never come close to the limit, but if the new sim is streaming a lot of data it might put me close. Plus with the speed I get, if my wife is watching tv and I’m simming it could cause a slow down for one or both of us.

 

23 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Keep your Win 7 rig and get a new one for Win 10.  The good news is, while Win 10 has things I don't care for, I found a lot of things I typically do were streamlined.  One of the first things I did was replace the mail app with OEClassic.

I’ve always kept my older rig for internet and now have one Win 7 rig for simming and two XP rigs that were previously built for FS9 and one for FSX at the beginning. The problem is that I’ve always kept the older one for internet or other stuff leaving my newer one for simming only. However, I don’t ever use the older ones anymore for internet as I just use my phone or iPad for internet and can go anywhere in the house with it. I’ll probably just trash my two XP computers and keep the Win 7 one for any random use. Plus the extras take up a lot of space. I have an 8 foot long desk with all 3 computers set up in a line on it, each with their own monitors just collecting dust.

  No caps here but an unreliable and slow connection (end of a ADSL2 line - download at an e 0.6 mb/s max). This is a point that I hope the MS team has in mind. Not everybody is connected with fiber. 

16 minutes ago, domkle said:

  No caps here but an unreliable and slow connection (end of a ADSL2 line - download at an e 0.6 mb/s max). This is a point that I hope the MS team has in mind. Not everybody is connected with fiber. 

I must confess that I forget that slow speeds and data caps are the reality for a lot of people.

Streaming orthophotos and photogrammetry is going to chew through plenty of data for the kind of resolution we're seeing in the preview videos.

Maybe add ons with downloadable orthophotos like "True Earth GB" will still have a market when FS2020 is out.