I don’t think I have one, single deal breaker. If there were a load of things I didn’t like then maybe, but even then I’d probably still try it. 

Bad Performance

Windows 10 requirement..

2 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Windows 10 requirement..

I've got bad news for you Bert...  😉

4 minutes ago, DaWu said:

Bad Performance

Same here. However in the trailer (which, as far as we know, has been captured in real-time in 4K), the sim is producing at least 60 fps, even in the most demanding scenes (cockpit view during the thunderstorm, low passes over the big cities, etc.). I'm referring to the fps of the sim itself of course, not to the fps of the YT video. So this bodes well for the performance of the final product.

10 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Since Microsoft are monitoring AVSIM, hopefully their next "update" video will be more inline with how end users would typically fly.

Fully agree...

MS - Pretty please?  😀

20 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

There isn't enough information (written or visual) to go on to decide on "deal breakers" aka "action items". 

If there is enough information for a 'What we (developers) want' thread, then there is enough information for a 'What we don't want ' thread.

22 minutes ago, dilore said:

If there is enough information for a 'What we (developers) want' thread, then there is enough information for a 'What we don't want ' thread.

That's not true.  The desires of the developers are more important than those of the consumers, remember?

/s

😉

(before anyone gets all twisted in knots.. I'm joking around - let's all enjoy a laugh....life is good...)

 

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1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

As I stated in the other thread which has disappeared, a clip that is longer than 3 seconds ... preferably 3-5 minutes of "normal" flight at 200-250 KTS in a single aircraft going from A to B (so I can see how the terrain is loading) with a few 360 degree orbits around the aircraft.  Apply the same sort of testing we've all applied to FSX, P3D, XP, AF2, etc. ... keep it fair, keep it consistent.

There isn't enough information (written or visual) to go on to decide on "deal breakers" aka "action items".  Since Microsoft are monitoring AVSIM, hopefully their next "update" video will be more inline with how end users would typically fly.

Cheers, Rob.

Have they said anything yet about whether those videos and screenshots are raw in-game footage or undergo a little post-processing?

1 hour ago, Holdit said:

Have they said anything yet about whether those videos and screenshots are raw in-game footage or undergo a little post-processing?

Nothing said, but they will certainly be in-engine. A developer mode probably used to free-roam anywhere and set lighting conditions "just right" (you could argue whether that's still in-game). The ray tracing effects shown will require an high end RTX card, which gives that "post-processed" feel.

I would guess that the developers would be hesitant to show anything that an end user can't achieve, albeit with a very high spec PC.

6 minutes ago, nickhod said:

The ray tracing effects shown will require an high end RTX card, which gives that "post-processed" feel.

Is ray tracing only used in the hangar shot or also elsewhere?

Exactly what I've said, Rob. Without facts there is no ground for any "deal breakers".

4 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

The OP said "deal-breaker" ... to have a deal breaker requires "known facts" (can't break a deal without knowing what the deal is) and there just isn't enough known facts.  "What we want" is a request list that does NOT require any known facts ... it's a wish list.

 

3 minutes ago, 188AHC said:

Exactly what I've said, Rob. Without facts there is no ground for any "deal breakers".

It really doesn't.

I know that I wont buy MSFS 2020 unless it has VR.
That objective claim will not change by the emergence any facts related to the sim.
Even if it does have subsequently have VR, my deal-breaker remains unchanged.

You can pretty obviously have a deal-breaker without knowing everything about a deal.
You might say that you'd never buy a red car. You don't need to know what type of wheels the car has to make that assertion.

3 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

The OP said "deal-breaker" ... to have a deal breaker requires "known facts" (can't break a deal without knowing what the deal is) and there just isn't enough known facts.  "What we want" is a request list that does NOT require any known facts ... it's a wish list.

I know for a fact (it's not a wish) that if there are no helicopters in MSFS, they will have no deal with me, whatever that deal may be.

6 minutes ago, Murmur said:

Is ray tracing only used in the hangar shot or also elsewhere?

Pretty much any time you're seeing the exterior of a plane, it's ray traced. If you look closely you'll see the real reflections of the objects around it on the paintwork, not a sampled "reflection probe" best guess (like current sims use).

The sun light on the river also could be ray traced, but there are other ways of achieving the same effect.

The reality is that users without 2070/80 RTX cards wont see this (i.e. most of them for a few years).