Yes, you would actually sink underwater inside the plane if you crashed the Lake Renegade.  Brings back some memories: FU3 had some amazing graphics at the time it was released in the late 90's...

I have a feeling (I hope I'm wrong) that we may not see a lot of specific models.  They won't state Airbus, just "commercial jet" or something like that.

4 minutes ago, andyjohnston.net said:

I have a feeling (I hope I'm wrong) that we may not see a lot of specific models.  They won't state Airbus, just "commercial jet" or something like that.

That would be a major change from pretty much the entire history of the sim.

5 minutes ago, NotASenator said:

That would be a major change from pretty much the entire history of the sim.

The pharmaceutical industry has shown the way with generic drugs after all. 

I believe not stating the manufacturer's name is enough to avoid licensing issues. Most add-on aircraft are like that, only the model number is stated.

10 hours ago, WarpD said:

Note that Cessna (who now owns Beechcraft.. King Air, Baron, etc) is extremely aggressive and expensive licensing-wise.  I would be surprised of ANY of their aircraft showed up as a default.

If a smaller company like Laminar can release a flight sim like XP11 with properly labeled default aircraft like a Cessna 172, Beechcraft Baron, and Beechcraft King Air C90B, then I don't see why Microsoft couldn't do the same.

 

31 minutes ago, andyjohnston.net said:

I have a feeling (I hope I'm wrong) that we may not see a lot of specific models.  They won't state Airbus, just "commercial jet" or something like that.

Again, XP11 has a Boeing B737-300, B747-300, and McDonell Douglas MD-80 as default aircraft. Also a Sikorsky S-76 and Cirrus SF-50. No fake names.

2 hours ago, NotASenator said:

That would be a major change from pretty much the entire history of the sim.

That's how they are labelled in P3D by default.

I vote for this beauty. 😁😁😁 No licensing issues since Minecraft belongs to Ms. 

They won't have to care about flight model too

Edited September 16, 20196 yr by Jazznow

I would like to see a Cessna C337 Skymaster and a Socata TBM 800 or 900 series along with the standard default aircraft from previous versions.  Also something with large tires and STOL for bush flying.

John Cottreau

Edited September 16, 20196 yr by johncott

Complex default airliners most likely won't be a thing in MSFS. Even if it's not as deep simulation-wise as PMDG or FSLabs it still takes years to develop a good, reasonably complex airliner. That's a project on its own. Leave that to the 3rd party developers we know produce magnificent addons. I believe this will be one of the aspects where 3rd party devs can still fully flourish while the scenery addon market will largely become obsolete, in my opinion, given the visuals we have seen so far (with the exception of airports). The only scenario I can think of which would provide complex 'default' aircraft from the start would be if 3rd party aircraft were included at release which might actually happen given MS have apparently reached out to developers already.

As for licensing, we have had Cessnas and the like for so long in our sims. Why would that suddenly become an issue?

Edited September 16, 20196 yr by threegreen

11 minutes ago, threegreen said:

As for licensing, we have had Cessnas and the like for so long in our sims. Why would that suddenly become an issue?

P3Dv4 currently has no Cessna or Beechcraft aircraft in the default lineup.  Last I heard LM was negotiating with Textron to get them included again.

How third party developers are able to make these aircraft is one of the great modern mysteries, but at least we've seen a Cessna in the MSFS screen shots/videos.

Hook

22 minutes ago, LHookins said:

How third party developers are able to make these aircraft is one of the great modern mysteries, but at least we've seen a Cessna in the MSFS screen shots/videos.

 

4 hours ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

I believe not stating the manufacturer's name is enough to avoid licensing issues. Most add-on aircraft are like that, only the model number is stated.

I don't have a source for this but I'm sure I've read something like that somewhere. Doing a quick check, Carenado and A2A don't mention the manufacturer anywhere in their product names.

3 minutes ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

Doing a quick check, Carenado and A2A don't mention the manufacturer anywhere in their product names.

I remember the Dodosim 206 helicopter didn't mention the name Bell.  I suspect you're right.

Hook

8 minutes ago, LHookins said:

I remember the Dodosim 206 helicopter didn't mention the name Bell.  I suspect you're right.

Hook

That's why I said things would be labelled as just commercial aircraft rather than specific model.

2 minutes ago, andyjohnston.net said:

That's why I said things would be labelled as just commercial aircraft rather than specific model.

It looks like the model number will be OK as long as they don't mention the manufacturer:  Bell, Cessna, Beechcraft, whatever.

Hook