I personally feel that people get too worked up about PBR textures. Whilst they are nice (when rendered well), they are not the "be all and end all" of flight simulator graphics. It is one of those "extras" that I would prefer to avoid if it seriously affects framerates. The non PBR VC textures in my PMDG planes look excellent....and that's @ 1920x1080 resolution with 1024x1024 textures.

Edited December 26, 20196 yr by Christopher Low

Here is a screenshot of the HD texture without tomato(don't need or want it anymore)

I love even with HDR ON you get the lights looking like they should GREEN.

Also I never understand why people complain about FPS, since I loaded this flight at Simwings EGLL with EF/ASP4/PROATC/UTL all running. I thought i would also show my FPS. I have them locked at 26. They stay at that all the time and my PC is OLD. I'am also happy to show my settings, so you know.

Settings

 

 

That VC looks nice, David.

What is the sequence of update and new install?

1. Reset shaders to default

2. Install the newest versions of A320 and A319

3. Install the A321

4. Apply new shaders.

5. Install FSSpotlight 

1 minute ago, G-YMML1 said:

What is the sequence of update and new install?

1. Reset shaders to default

2. Install the newest versions of A320 and A319

3. Install the A321

4. Apply new shaders.

5. Install FSSpotlight 

That should work fine.

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I personally feel that people get too worked up about PBR textures. Whilst they are nice (when rendered well), they are not the "be all and end all" of flight simulator graphics. It is one of those "extras" that I would prefer to avoid if it seriously affects framerates. The non PBR VC textures in my PMDG planes look excellent....and that's @ 1920x1080 resolution with 1024x1024 textures.

I can live with PBR not in the VC even though my system handles it fine.  The non PBR exterior models however look terrible unless one uses something like TS.  

4 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I personally feel that people get too worked up about PBR textures. Whilst they are nice (when rendered well), they are not the "be all and end all" of flight simulator graphics. It is one of those "extras" that I would prefer to avoid if it seriously affects framerates. The non PBR VC textures in my PMDG planes look excellent....and that's @ 1920x1080 resolution with 1024x1024 textures.

One of the beauties (pun intended) of PBR is that it's done directly in the GPU hardware, so there's no significant frame rate hit.

But I agree that it's not always a "must-have."  And it can be problematic if PBR and non-PBR textures are mixed in the presence of an after-market shader mod.

 

3 hours ago, G-YMML1 said:

What is the sequence of update and new install?

1. Reset shaders to default

2. Install the newest versions of A320 and A319

3. Install the A321

4. Apply new shaders.

5. Install FSSpotlight 

IIRC, the Scarebus installer will want to see Spotlights already installed before it will proceed. 

7 hours ago, ha5mvo said:

All of this comes at a cost and the NGXu is an example. On the 737 its the GPU that gets hammered. 

Do that on a borderline performer like the FSL and you're at risk of sinking into stutter territory. The LH md-80 actually runs well with its pbr vc but there are not as much code running at the background in comparison with the airbus.

I actually don't have any performance issues with the NGXu now (or even before my overclock at all, tbh).

If they are going to sell an addon at a premier cost, than it should have premier features. I doubt people with low-end machines are buying $200+ addons, but maybe I'm wrong. lol 

6 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I personally feel that people get too worked up about PBR textures. Whilst they are nice (when rendered well), they are not the "be all and end all" of flight simulator graphics. It is one of those "extras" that I would prefer to avoid if it seriously affects framerates. The non PBR VC textures in my PMDG planes look excellent....and that's @ 1920x1080 resolution with 1024x1024 textures.

Hey Chris....

I think the key is "when rendered well". 🙂 It is very tricky to paint with when you want to exploit all the offerings it has in Flightsim....but I think the extra time and effort painters put in to work with the technology really pays off.

Here is a paint I just finished using several new effects of PBR....

PBR with gradient paint and few PBR-specific effects:

and without....(still has the sun glint but a flat paint only rendered on the main texture (no metallic channel work)

The difference is quite stark.

And with PBR....I was able to emulate the special mica-infused paint AA uses to make their paint "sparkle" when the sun's glint hits it just right.

Notice how you see the sparkle in the glint....and especially notice that the sparkle is not on the rear fuse where the stripe paint is applied.

Of course PBR has revolutionized how we paint bare metal....

 

So some "people" may get worked up over PBR.....but if those people happen to be your painters.....we all win. 🙂

 

6 hours ago, Arklight1 said:

I actually don't have any performance issues with the NGXu now (or even before my overclock at all, tbh).

If they are going to sell an addon at a premier cost, than it should have premier features. I doubt people with low-end machines are buying $200+ addons, but maybe I'm wrong. lol 

You are not a good representative since you basically posses the best hardware money can buy to date. A system like yours has plenty of headroom to handle almost anything you throw at it.

You cannot, however, set a 9900/2080Ti combo as a minimal requirement. Most people with more modest rigs would tune up their sim to get the max out of their hardware. My measly 6700k/1060 6G runs surprisingly well and very rarely falls below 25  but if you add a heavy feature, say a pbr VC, it won't make the cut. Not without a significant left shift of the sliders anyway.

17 hours ago, ha5mvo said:

You are not a good representative since you basically posses the best hardware money can buy to date. A system like yours has plenty of headroom to handle almost anything you throw at it.

You cannot, however, set a 9900/2080Ti combo as a minimal requirement. Most people with more modest rigs would tune up their sim to get the max out of their hardware. My measly 6700k/1060 6G runs surprisingly well and very rarely falls below 25  but if you add a heavy feature, say a pbr VC, it won't make the cut. Not without a significant left shift of the sliders anyway.

Well I did t always have this system. I built it a few months ago and only recently oc'd to 5ghz. I ran is at 3.6ghz for a while (to be honest it doesnt seem like that much of a difference....I'm tempted to just set it back lol). 

I think the video card plays a much bigger role than a lot of people think it does. PBR should affect fps that much as it ran just fine on my 1070ti as well.

17 hours ago, ha5mvo said:

You are not a good representative since you basically posses the best hardware money can buy to date. A system like yours has plenty of headroom to handle almost anything you throw at it.

I have basically the same system as him and I have tested NGXu performance and compared that with NGX performance on my system. It's not the headroom which gives me excellent performance with the NGXu (although it obviously plays into it to some extent as well) but the difference in FPS is only 3-4 FPS (less in the NGXu) and processor utilization is about the same too.

Edit: Just realized this is off-topic...

Edited December 27, 20196 yr by threegreen

22 hours ago, Steve Dra said:

Hey Chris....

I think the key is "when rendered well". 🙂 It is very tricky to paint with when you want to exploit all the offerings it has in Flightsim....but I think the extra time and effort painters put in to work with the technology really pays off.

Here is a paint I just finished using several new effects of PBR....

PBR with gradient paint and few PBR-specific effects:

and without....(still has the sun glint but a flat paint only rendered on the main texture (no metallic channel work)

The difference is quite stark.

And with PBR....I was able to emulate the special mica-infused paint AA uses to make their paint "sparkle" when the sun's glint hits it just right.

Notice how you see the sparkle in the glint....and especially notice that the sparkle is not on the rear fuse where the stripe paint is applied.

Of course PBR has revolutionized how we paint bare metal....

 

So some "people" may get worked up over PBR.....but if those people happen to be your painters.....we all win. 🙂

 

 

Your AA A330 paint is amazing. Glad somebody took notice of the fact that the aircrafts livery is not a solid gray. Lol

Folks, I presume that FS2Crew fully works with the latest 321, correct?