NDA leaks reporting

[shawty1984 106]

16 minutes ago, Jazz said:

🤨 Give me strength! CORRECT! as I just reiterated AGAIN! I, that's ME would not be the slightest bit surprised if it didn't come to the One or the One S. I wouldn't even be shocked if it never showed up on the One X. I don't believe it will make sense or that it does make sense to launch this on what will be a dead platform......... BUT....it MAY and IF....IF, the little word with the big meaning, IF it does come to any of them, then it will not be the same as the pc version.

It may well be officially listed as an XBOX One release but it won't be the same.

It's officially coming to Xbox One. That is what it's being developed for, I'm not sure why you are not understanding this. The Xbox One has a family of consoles. The One, One S and One X. You're right that the One might struggle but the One X should play this fine, it's the most powerful console to date. But you're not arguing against me, you're arguing against Microsoft, they are the ones that said it is being developed for the Xbox One. I'm sure they know how their consoles will cope with it more than us. If that is the case then it wont be taking full advantage of the Series X unless they rewrite the game engine. 

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by shawty1984

[reecemj 147]

8 hours ago, domkle said:

These awful leaked videos might be less debated if MS would release a 15 minutes video of a flight by a good simmer/pilot between two completed airports over a nice country side. A suggestion...

+1! Been saying this from the first video they release. I just want 1 uncut flight from the city to the country side. All the bling form the photos and videos is nice but show me the money with 1 flight. 

[azulkb 302]

no simulators arrive at the foot of fs2020 cloud level.

Leak clouds correspond to a specific weather setting. Promotional clouds correspond to another weather setting. Clouds are calculated in relation to real physical parameters and dissolve or not in relation to natural physical parameters. 

In nature you can sometimes find beautiful and sometimes average skies. Same here. The weather parameter, the time of day and the position of the camera does everything.

 

[Kopteeni 819]

8 minutes ago, reecemj said:

+1! Been saying this from the first video they release. I just want 1 uncut flight from the city to the country side. All the bling form the photos and videos is nice but show me the money with 1 flight. 

Why would they do that with an Alpha version of the product? Have you seen how bonkers people go when they spot any minor unfinished detail in the short hand-picked clips they've released?

[Jazz 1,046]

9 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

It's officially coming to Xbox One. That is what it's being developed for, I'm not sure why you are not understanding this.

I am understanding this. You are not hearing what I am saying.

10 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

The Xbox One has a family of consoles. The One, One S and One X.

As if I have not made that clear in my post.

10 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

You're right that the One might struggle but the One X should play this fine, it's the most powerful console to date.

Which is far behind a current PC and WILL be OBSOLETE and replaced by the Series X by the time Flight Sim is released.

12 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

But you're not arguing against me, you're arguing against Microsoft

I'm not arguing with anyone. Well, not trying to anyway. I am trying to apply some common sense by way of an opinion based on the observable realities of the differing platforms with a little sprinkle of experience thrown in.

16 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

I'm sure they know how their consoles will cope with it more than us. If that is the case then it wont be taking full advantage of the Series X unless they rewrite the game engine. 

Yes they do and no they won't.

I'm not banging my head on this wall anymore. I have given my opinion. TLDR:The sim won't be the same on the consoles and probably won't be on all the XBOX's. End of and time will tell.

[b737800 470]

8 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

Why would they do that with an Alpha version of the product? Have you seen how bonkers people go when they spot any minor unfinished detail in the short hand-picked clips they've released?

Totally see why people want more vids, but this thread is the perfect example of how someone will take any and every opportunity to find fault and to extrapolate that fault to a date of release that none of us know to "prove" how it will be nothing like we've already been shown.

Opinion is fine, but when a subjective opinion is pretty much ALWAYS negative and at times fundamentally disagrees with what I've seen with my own eyes, it is pointless and, to be perfectly honest, turning me off this whole forum.

[shawty1984 106]

6 minutes ago, Jazz said:

I am understanding this. You are not hearing what I am saying.

As if I have not made that clear in my post.

Which is far behind a current PC and WILL be OBSOLETE and replaced by the Series X by the time Flight Sim is released.

I'm not arguing with anyone. Well, not trying to anyway. I am trying to apply some common sense by way of an opinion based on the observable realities of the differing platforms with a little sprinkle of experience thrown in.

Yes they do and no they won't.

I'm not banging my head on this wall anymore. I have given my opinion. TLDR:The sim won't be the same on the consoles and probably won't be on all the XBOX's. End of and time will tell.

I am hearing what you are saying. You don't believe it will be on the Xbox One. Doesn't matter what you believe, it's officially being developed for the Xbox One. 

No you haven't. If it's coming to the Xbox One X then it's coming to the Xbox One, the One X doesn't have exclusives and to further the point it's coming to Xbox One, the Series X doesn't have any exclusives for the first year or two if the reports are true. 

It's far behind a top of the range PC of a £1000, yes as the One X cost me £300. But consoles are optimised beyond PCs plus a lot of this data will be coming from streaming. 

Away from the modding scene, the console version should be the same, minus maybe some elements of detail depending on console which is the same for most PC owners too. 

[mSparks 2,086]

13 minutes ago, b737800 said:

and every opportunity to find fault and to extrapolate that fault

If these were simple faults that would only take 6 months for a talented team to get right you would have a point.

But since these are worse faults than multiple highly specialised and talented teams have been grappling with for nearly a decade and still havent resolved.

Im not really understanding the objection to extrapolating that experience to Asobo and msfs2020.

Flight simulators are very hard to get right and Asobo's last attempt at one was universally hated.

Edited February 9, 2020 by mSparks

[Paraffin 2,197]

13 hours ago, YVRDXBLHR said:

The NDA isn't going to deter future leakers. If they had kept the beta within the US it would have been a different story. It's going to be a cat and mouse game for MS, they'll need to surf reddit and YT for any further leaks.

There may be further leaks, but I disagree that the NDA won't deter future leakers. They only get to do it one time, and then they're busted and locked out of future testing due to the watermark ID. Anyone who leaks doesn't get to see the next build of the sim, which is a major incentive to stay in the program. 
 

8 hours ago, domkle said:

These awful leaked videos might be less debated if MS would release a 15 minutes video of a flight by a good simmer/pilot between two completed airports over a nice country side. A suggestion...

It's normal for a game or sim developer to show an extended video shortly before release. Maybe we'll see that at some point. It's unreasonable to expect something like that when the software is still in Alpha. 
 

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

It is amazing what you can do on next gen hardware with very little effort.

But dont expect these graphics on anything less than an xbox2020 or a brand new $6000 PC plus a subscription to gamepass.

You're very wrong about that, and it's all I can say at the moment. 
 

26 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

It's officially coming to Xbox One.

It's being developed for the PC, and will be ported to the Xbox One and the new Xbox that arrives later this year. Presumably scaled down with some limitations for the current Xbox compared to a current medium-high spec gaming PC, with the new Xbox version closer to the PC version. But that's just a guess.

[mSparks 2,086]

2 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

and it's all I can say at the moment. 

Renting somebody elses $6000 pc doesnt count.

Edited February 9, 2020 by mSparks

[shawty1984 106]

4 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

There may be further leaks, but I disagree that the NDA won't deter future leakers. They only get to do it one time, and then they're busted and locked out of future testing due to the watermark ID. Anyone who leaks doesn't get to see the next build of the sim, which is a major incentive to stay in the program. 
 

It's normal for a game or sim developer to show an extended video shortly before release. Maybe we'll see that at some point. It's unreasonable to expect something like that when the software is still in Alpha. 
 

You're very wrong about that, and it's all I can say at the moment. 
 

It's being developed for the PC, and will be ported to the Xbox One and the new Xbox that arrives later this year. Presumably scaled down with some limitations for the current Xbox compared to a current medium-high spec gaming PC, with the new Xbox version closer to the PC version. But that's just a guess.

Ported/developed, its basically the same, all console games start on the PC. My point being, it's not being made for the Series X so will not fully take advantage of that hardware. If it was coming to just the Series X then they could fully develop it for that. GTA 5 is an example from PS3/Xbox 360 to PS4/Xbox One. 

In my opinion, if optimised right, while it might struggle on the Xbox One, I think it will run fine on medium to high settings on the One X. 

[aleex 551]

1 hour ago, azulkb said:

no simulators arrive at the foot of fs2020 cloud level.

Leak clouds correspond to a specific weather setting. Promotional clouds correspond to another weather setting. Clouds are calculated in relation to real physical parameters and dissolve or not in relation to natural physical parameters. 

In nature you can sometimes find beautiful and sometimes average skies. Same here. The weather parameter, the time of day and the position of the camera does everything.

 

That makes sense. Because when I saw the video, first thing that came to my mind was how similar that weather was to the “theme preset” AS showed on the weather discovery episode, and even to some other screenshots AS has released. 

[RALF9636 1,971]

1 hour ago, Kopteeni said:

Why would they do that with an Alpha version of the product? Have you seen how bonkers people go when they spot any minor unfinished detail in the short hand-picked clips they've released?

 

56 minutes ago, b737800 said:

Totally see why people want more vids, but this thread is the perfect example of how someone will take any and every opportunity to find fault and to extrapolate that fault to a date of release that none of us know to "prove" how it will be nothing like we've already been shown.

Opinion is fine, but when a subjective opinion is pretty much ALWAYS negative and at times fundamentally disagrees with what I've seen with my own eyes, it is pointless and, to be perfectly honest, turning me off this whole forum.

I totally agree with what you say. Indeed this forum is full of nitpickers, naysayers, know-it-alls and trolls; reading through these threads mostly is no fun any more. Fortunately there still are some optimistic, buoyant, spirited and humorous users here making it pleasant and inspiring from time to time.

But I don't think what happens in the forum should hold Asobo back from releasing more insight, like a full uncut video of a complete flight, which many wish to see. There are many simmers still able to see and enjoy the big picture instead of indulging in petty nitpicking. Actually I think those simmers are the vast majority, they just don't post in forums as often as the grumblers.

The nitpickers and trolls will do their thing anyway regardless of what Asobo does. I wish Asobo does not let them determine what we get to see.

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by RALF9636

[Dominique_K 10,150]

47 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

 
 

It's normal for a game or sim developer to show an extended video shortly before release. Maybe we'll see that at some point. It's unreasonable to expect something like that when the software is still in Alpha. 
 

 

Is it normal for a game developer to have a promotional campaign as MS has had since June, so many months before release ?  It seems to me that MS has changed the paradigm of the launching of a AAA game.

I don't expect anything, I do not say it is reasonable,  I  just say that a video shot by a simmer or pilot might deflect some  the absurd (if not idiotic) comments generated by leaked videos which give an unflattering image of the new sim. 

 

[Paraffin 2,197]

44 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

Ported/developed, its basically the same, all console games start on the PC. My point being, it's not being made for the Series X so will not fully take advantage of that hardware.

We don't know that yet. The Seriex X is basically a PC stripped of extraneous fluff with a CPU and GPU equivalent to a higher-end PC. There is nothing special in that console that a sim developed for the PC can't take advantage of it. If anything, it may be somewhat limited in available RAM compared to a PC.