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[LHookins 3,103]

A typical boonies airport in ESP is a runway and nothing else.  A typical boonies airport in MSFS has a lot more.

The closest I came to seeing a typical ESP airport in MSFS was when I needed to land at 9AK3 in Alaska and there wasn't an airport there, but there was a flat spot where the runway should be.  It looked very much like it does in Google Earth.

@FS Captain Joe are you OK with me saying this?

Hook

Edited July 19, 2020 by LHookins

[Dominique_K 10,138]

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Your first sentence is subjective. Others may be quite happy with them as I was when flying to many default airports in P3Dv4

It is not subjective Ray to say that the ESP airports are inaccurate. I’ve been correcting airfields for years with ADE as I hate when roads or rivers cross the runway or even the perimeter . The last one I did was in Central America cutting a hill in half instead of gently  laying South of it !  All the ones I did were off some tens sometimes hundreds of meters. I think that the lat and long coordinates in the FSX database were rounded to an inappropriate decimal.
 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Dominique_K

[Wobbie 938]

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[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

3 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

It is not subjective Ray to say that the ESP airports are inaccurate.

No but he also said they're awful. It was that I was referring to.

[Dominique_K 10,138]

17 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

No but he also said they're awful. It was that I was referring to.

We may not use the same airports but I do not think it is subjective to say that these thousands of one-texture flat rectangles stuck on the terrain with a generic runway and , if we are lucky, a generic building/tower are awful. They are awful beside being inaccurate 😄 ! 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

1 minute ago, Dominique_K said:

We may not use the same airports but I do not think it is subjective to say that these thousands of one-texture flat rectangles stuck on the terrain with a generic runway and , if we are lucky, a generic building/tower are awful. They are awful beside being inaccurate 😄 ! 

By definition it is a subjective opinion, not an objective one. Someone else may like them however bad you think they are.

[pmb 5,137]

4 hours ago, LHookins said:

A typical boonies airport in ESP is a runway and nothing else.  A typical boonies airport in MSFS has a lot more.

The closest I came to seeing a typical ESP airport in MSFS was when I needed to land at 9AK3 in Alaska and there wasn't an airport there, but there was a flat spot where the runway should be.  It looked very much like it does in Google Earth.

@FS Captain Joe are you OK with me saying this?

Hook

I saw someone referring to the MSFS default airports as similar to the ORBX-enhanced airports like in FTX Germany or GB (which are based on default ORBX library buildings) and I'd say this hits the nail quite well. I'd refer to the Airport Discovery Series (#6) which shows several smaller airports. They sport many more elements, including moving ones, and that's exactly the meaning of "detailed". But no one from the official sources ever claimed to have collected complete series of photos from 37,000 tiny airfields round the world, so they must have resorted to generic buildings.

Even then, I am already happy to get rid of the ugly P3D default hangars which I have to use right now until REX comes with the REX Worldwide Airports package for P3D5. I landed in default Lausanne / Switzerland in P3D5 yesterday and these P3D default airport buildings look really bad. I didn't recall them anymore as I always was using the Zinertek or REX textures during P3D4 which already provide quite an enhancement.

And if you take default XP, you have quite a number of smaller airports where there's really only a runway and nothing more, sometimes not even a taxiway to leave it.

Finally, to temper false expectations: Would you expect the 37,000 airports to be error-free? While all of them were checked, part of them even by the Alpha team, this frankly isn't impossible. There will be errors - make the developers aware of them and I am sure they will eliminate them.

Kind regards, Michael

[LHookins 3,103]

5 minutes ago, pmb said:

I saw someone referring to the MSFS default airports as similar to the ORBX-enhanced airports like in FTX Germany or GB (which are based on default ORBX library buildings) and I'd say this hits the nail quite well.

I suspect this is pretty close.

 

6 minutes ago, pmb said:

ugly P3D default hangars

Hey!  I *like* the ugly P3D default hangars!  They look like the ones at my local airport. 😄 

Hook

[pmb 5,137]

7 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Hey!  I *like* the ugly P3D default hangars!  They look like the ones at my local airport. 😄

Perhaps they made them out of photos taken there.😁

Kind regards, Michael

[Dominique_K 10,138]

29 minutes ago, pmb said:

 

Finally, to temper false expectations: Would you expect the 37,000 airports to be error-free? While all of them were checked, part of them even by the Alpha team, this frankly isn't impossible. There will be errors - make the developers aware of them and I am sure they will eliminate them.

Kind regards, Michael

I can accept a lot of inaccuracies but I am really fed up with the misplacement of runways which is a structural feature of the ESP database. Imagery has some drawback (no season for one) but should eliminate it. 

[Wobbie 938]

I am afraid that there are certain inaccuracies what will not be eliminated, so, you will just have to accept, or move on to something better.

I'm sure you are aware that if MSFS has gone to Beta,,the sim data is fixed, no further changes can take place.

Also,  What is an ESP database?

All I can find on the net is that it's a database, similar to a CRM & is a platform that helps your business communicate more effectively with your clients, for email campaigns.  It's also known as the Exome Sequencing Project (ESP), It's also the name of a 'C' language web framework.

It's also the name of a platform that gives access to hundreds of thousands of promotional producs & gives access tools to connect to supplier partners. Oh, it's also part of a program used to create chemistry models. So far, nothing obout ESP databases on the net refers to what you are talking about.

Dom, what ARE you actually talking about? Is this yet another of your made up names?

You not trolling? Seems like it. (all these fictitious made up names that you have 'invented')

'Shrug!" 

[Ianrivaldosmith 5,317]

15 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

 

I am afraid that there are certain inaccuracies what will not be eliminated, so, you will just have to accept, or move on to something better.

 

 

There is something better available ? 😃

[Wobbie 938]

16 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

There is something better available ? 😃

The Holy Grail, & that still has not been found!

[HighBypass 2,339]

26 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

There is something better available ? 😃

User edited airports 😉

41 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

.. no further changes can take place.

See above?? Obviously i know what you mean - no changes from the developers 

[threexgreen 3,139]

1 hour ago, Wobbie said:

Dom, what ARE you actually talking about? Is this yet another of your made up names?

ESP is the engine Microsoft/ACES used in the earlier sims (Enterprise Simulation Platform). It's what FSX and still P3D run on (not sure about FS9 and earlier versions)... and in it is the issue he is talking about.

Edited July 19, 2020 by threegreen