Lol, https://www.carenado.com/sitecarenado/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/

Wouldn't be surprised if Carenado came out the gate pretty quickly with a few of their biz jets ready for MSFS 2020. Whereas, we'll probably have to wait 10-20 years for some of the "more respected" addon developers to release stuff for MSFS 2020.

Well, since I’m not interested in those “More respected developers“ you refer to, and I’m a GA pilot, I will buy them all from Carenado.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by RamonB

This is not a pre-order "from Carenado", but rather a link to the Microsoft pre-order page..

Won't be difficult for Carenado and Alabeo to port their stuff as there's no advanced functionality, it's all very much within the FSX SDK and they use XML gauges.

And it's not just a link, it's a referral link, kerching!

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by ckyliu

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

for some of the "more respected" addon developers

I believe this is a misplaced comment toward Carenado and probably a lot of other vendors. Even if some vendors don't deserve your money, they deserve respect nonetheless, at least because they are vendors sharing the same passion as you for most I know and work with. (please don't digg up PT fiasco to prove me wrong, it was ages ago).

My personal comment is Carenado aircraft are very enjoyable and give very nice immersive experience with lots of visuals, interactivity and a so diverse fleet offering I can make pretend, or just enjoy, flying any kind of aircraft depending on my mood or the time I have ahead of me to fly with. I don't always want to take 1/2 hour clicking every knob and switches just to get going, I also do like sometimes feeling the roar of the engines in a convincing and realistically looking and flying aircraft and for this, Carenado delivers.

 

 

Carenado's problem is that they aren't very good at systems. And that would be fine, if they didn't sell upgraded systems expansions for some of their planes that also don't work.

I bought their Phenom 300. Beautiful-looking plane. Flies fine VFR. IFR, not so much. I use Navigraph so I got the Navigraph extension for the thing so that I could update the maps. Well, turns out the Navigraph extension breaks some of the systems that work in the base version. Plugging a flight plan into the thing is a pain, and with the upgrade it can no longer just read your flight plan that you made/imported in p3d. You must input it, and the results are wildly inconsistent.

Fine, Carenado planes are cheap, but charging extra money to break the already limited systems in the plane isn't cool. I finally bit the bullet and got the RXP GTN and replaced the default systems. So now I have an unrealistic cockpit that, once again, can't be updated beyond the default Garmin nav data. With the Navigraph "upgrade" and the RXP, that cheap plane ended up costing me around $100 just to be minimally functional.

Meanwhile Leonardo and PMDG pump out planes at that price point that blow Carenado out of the water.

Carenado is "respectable" in the same way that jingle writers are respectable compared to Mozart. Sure, neat, you can write little ditties for radio/TV ads and they sell products and make you money so that you aren't on public assistance, but it ain't Requiem and no one's gonna think the guy who wrote "Meow meow meow meow" is at the same level as the musical elite, and that translates to him getting a lot less respect than the greats.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by eslader

Oh my, the never ending systems whining about Carenado. Seriously? You know full well (or should by now) that they are NOT PMDG, nor do they wish to be. So if you buy their product and feel cheated, then that's on you. And yes, for some people visual realism and/or GA flying is the driver. Or collecting AI traffic. Or tweaking AFCADs. Or painting. Amazing how many ways the sim can used, isn't it? And they are all just as "serious" as you are.

12 minutes ago, Coneman said:

Oh my, the never ending systems whining about Carenado. Seriously? You know full well (or should by now) that they are NOT PMDG, nor do they wish to be. So if you buy their product and feel cheated, then that's on you. And yes, for some people visual realism and/or GA flying is the driver. Or collecting AI traffic. Or tweaking AFCADs. Or painting. Amazing how many ways the sim can used, isn't it? And they are all just as "serious" as you are.

Sorry but they DO ‘wish to be’ and have made some ludicrous claims about their add-ons being ‘very close to reality’. 

Perhaps the name of the add-on is close to reality because lots of other stuff isn’t. 
 

Pass! 

First screenshots of Baron G58 and SR22

1 hour ago, Coneman said:

So if you buy their product and feel cheated, then that's on you

Agreed, except when they sell an upgrade that's supposed to enable enhanced functionality and instead breaks the functionality that the non-upgraded plane has.

Sure, fine, they're not great at systems, and so it's not terribly surprising that the Navigraph system doesn't do what it's supposed to do, but that being the case, stop selling the bloody thing. Just sell the base plane rather than suckering customers into paying extra to break the base plane.

No one's expecting PMDG out of a $40 plane. But when it's a $40 plane that actually costs $50 because of the extension, and then the extension breaks the $50 plane, that gets a bit annoying. Cheap does not have to mean "complete ripoff."

 

14 hours ago, eslader said:

Carenado's problem is that they aren't very good at systems. And that would be fine, if they didn't sell upgraded systems expansions for some of their planes that also don't work.

Carenado doesn't claim system depth for their planes. You pretty much know what you're getting: default gauges and systems wrapped in great visuals. I've done hundreds of flights with their Phenom 100/300 - never had a problem, so don't understand what you mean when you say that IFR doesn't work. You should have known that their Navigraph extensions "break" the ability to simply load default P3D flight plans. So that's on you. 

My point simply is that nobody is stepping up the plate when it comes to GA jets, and I think that this will continue through MSFS2020.

Edited July 27, 20205 yr by n4gix
Removed unnecessary long quote!

10 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

You should have known that their Navigraph extensions "break" the ability to simply load default P3D flight plans. So that's on you. 

Uh, no. That's not how this works. That argument is akin to claiming that GM customers should know that GM makes lousy cars and therefore anyone who died from the ignition switch debacle had it coming. Carenado as the vendor/developer should know that their add-on product doesn't work and therefore not sell it until it does, if ever.

"Well if you paw through an internet forum you'll find people talking about problems with the product" is not a blanket green light to knowingly sell broken software.

 

Oh, and by the way, Carenado does claim that they have systems and implies that they work:

 

Edited July 27, 20205 yr by eslader

The Alabeo Waco YMF-5 will be superb for exploring low and slow in MSFS.

Carenado / Alabeo is beauty with no brains...that combination works in the real world...so why not flight simming.

To me, their planes suck, and the 2 I bought either tanked my fps or I lost interest as the systems were lacking. I would not buy another plane from them...but obviously they have a following and have been successful in selling their fleet.

I suspect that there will be many offerings from various Devs, even for the same plane, that folk will find the level of complexity that they are looking for.

 

30 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

Carenado / Alabeo is beauty with no brains...that combination works in the real world...so why not flight simming.

Perhaps a little harsh, but funny all the same, and often true. Nevertheless, I don't think it is fair to say that all their planes suck, they are built to a price and you get what you pay for. Most of the time.

Sometimes I concede, there have been offerings from them which genuinely are awful, for example their Cessna C441 is dreadful, a full-on hangar queen if ever there was one and all the more awful for being pretty much the same price as the FlySimWare one, which actually does impress. The Carenado C441 is a looker for sure, but even then it has sloppy typos on the panel, however, looks aside its systems simulation and engine simulation is not just bad, it makes the thing pretty much unflyable and for all its good looks, it is without doubt the worst add-on aeroplane I have ever bought. However, their Beech D-18S is very good indeed, and their little cropduster aeroplanes are great fun as well. Likewise, their Diamond Twins are pretty good too.

If one is expecting the avionics on such stuff as their Diamond Twins to rival more expensive offerings, that's going to lead to disappointment for sure, but so long as you don't want to do complex IFR procedures with their systems, they do the job and look pretty. 

Edited July 27, 20205 yr by Chock