13 hours ago, tommy10101 said:

The Cessna 152 and 172 also the tbm - feel incredible to me. Flight model has surpassed my expectations

Having a decent yoke makes a huge difference 

Glad it worked for you. Hasn't worked for a long hours TBM and other turboprop pro pilot who recently posted here saying the flight model was "garbage" (his words). There is something deeply afoot when two people have such wildly different views. If what he regards as garbage gives you pleasure then it is your gain, I'll admit. 

12 hours ago, Slides said:

VR will be killer.

Yes, on the frame rates.

12 hours ago, 188AHC said:

Are you kidding me? There very first hours of release and you are criticizing. You are better than that..

Geez. It has been stated that the release was pushed. It's going to get better. Trust me.

It's fair to compare the aircraft in the two sims. This is not an early access product, it's a premium price v1 release.

Asobo didn't just code the aircraft yesterday, they've had 4 or 5 years to work on these. And they had 16,000 alpha/beta testers on hand if they wanted feedback.

I'm not sure that I like the P3D defaults better, though for GA the Bonanzas that were in the older versions were decent. I'd say the MSFS planes definitely look nicer, and at times they fly nicer as well. The flight model, autopilots and "active pause" mode also randomly try to kill me more often than anything I've ever seen in P3D.

All in all, I'd take these aircraft over the P3D defaults, but then again I'd never fly the P3D defaults. And if Asobo made real planes, there's no way I'd ever go flying in one!  . 

 

13 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Give us a write up of what you're experiencing and how it compares to the p3d airplanes. That way we can be more informed.

I don't need to write it up. Just look at the posts from RW pilots. How about roll rate, rate of climb, and stall characteristics just to mention a few. Try it yourself and you'll see what I mean .

13 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Yes, on the frame rates.

I don't do VR for many reasons including some problems with Macular Degeneration problems in my right eye which may not work to well. LOL It will be interesting to see how this progresses because the new mantra here seems to be that this was always meant to be basic sim cleaned up by adding 3rd party addons for weather, airports, airplanes and more. What a novel idea LOL! As with all previous sims the challenge will be to see if MS can get the pretty pictures and code optimized to take that increased load and stay above 30 or so FPS and smooth. AS I have said often over the last 12 months the more things change the more they seem the same. I hope it all works out for them. Interesting times for sure.

8 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

I don't do VR for many reasons including some problems with Macular Degeneration problems in my right eye which may not work to well. LOL It will be interesting to see how this progresses because the new mantra here seems to be that this was always meant to be basic sim cleaned up by adding 3rd party addons for weather, airports, airplanes and more. What a novel idea LOL! As with all previous sims the challenge will be to see if MS can get the pretty pictures and code optimized to take that increased load and stay above 30 or so FPS and smooth. AS I have said often over the last 12 months the more things change the more they seem the same. I hope it all works out for them. Interesting times for sure.

I'm sorry to hear that your ARMD is messing up VR! Hopefully you're taking your vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc and copper, and it doesn't bother your flatscreen simming too much. If you ever try VR again, a non-stereo mode might work better btw. 

Yes, the shift from "this sim comes with everything!" to "of course you'll need payware airports/aircraft/autopilot/tree removal" has been remarkably swift.

I hope it works out for Asobo too, I suspect it probably will in the medium term. I'm still having fun with the sim, flying the cub out of KTUS right now. Cheers!

This happened when FSX was released, Flight, P3D, and every version of Xplane. This is no surprise. It will get better. 

22 minutes ago, W2DR said:

I don't need to write it up. Just look at the posts from RW pilots. How about roll rate, rate of climb, and stall characteristics just to mention a few. Try it yourself and you'll see what I mean .

But you're the one who made an entire thread. So I'm coming to you. 

Are you not a real world pilot?

 

Sigh.....I give up.

16 hours ago, W2DR said:

...just how good the aircraft in P3D really are (comparitively speaking).

The 3rd party addons are really good.  Default p3d planes are horrid.

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

Did you assigned your flight control to pitch axis, roll axis, yaw axis or to something else? I'm using TM Warthog and CH rudder, and do not have sensitivity issues, but initially  I had because I assigned wrong binding

Yes I did. The control surfaces work but not well. I think it’s the settings.

Cheers, Pete

8 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

The 3rd party addons are really good.  Default p3d planes are horrid.

LOL!! I agree that the P3d planes are nothing to write home about and for the matter the same holds true for all mainstream Flight sim releases in history. It means nothing one way or the other. It's like quinine flavored cup cakes. It does not matter who bakes them they still taste bitter and suck.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by shivers9

1 hour ago, robert young said:

Glad it worked for you. Hasn't worked for a long hours TBM and other turboprop pro pilot who recently posted here saying the flight model was "garbage" (his words). There is something deeply afoot when two people have such wildly different views. If what he regards as garbage gives you pleasure then it is your gain, I'll admit. 

In general I find the flight model in FS2020 extremely good and accurate, but the engine management is not simulated at all, especially regarding the turboprop. At this moment there isn't any simulator that can simulate a turboprop accurately and correctly, it is not easy.

13 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

The 3rd party addons are really good.  Default p3d planes are horrid.

I didn't say the  default aircraft in P3D are great. They have issues too.  I just said they are better that the word-not-allowed default "stuff" in MSFS 2020.

you know what i find funny, ppl complaining its not realistic enuf and they use the active pause????

now thats funny, try that that in real.