Just now, ckyliu said:

I wouldn't get on a flight where on average only just over half survived...

Anyway we'll see if my problem is fixed by tomorrow night, if not I can't use it and I will be getting a refund; it's just a shame I can't claim for the wasted time and bandwidth!

Nope me neither, but the point is that there is never a news item which says, 'no planes crashed today'. It's only when there is a crash that it makes the news, then Joe Blow suddenly thinks all planes are dangerous. Same with negative reviews. Statistically one negative review typically has the same impact as ten positive ones.

I think it's fair to say that the first day(s) of this juggernaut are going to be filled with stress, frustration and even anger. But can anybody seriously say they're surprised by any of this? Highly intelligent folks many of whom have been at this for years (FS 5.1 for me) but still expect the state of the art to run like a washing machine right out of the box. I appreciate the folks here, many of whom I've leaned on for advice and wisdom over the years to increase my knowledge and enjoyment of the various platforms and countless add ons I've owned. Thank you.

I'm setting my sights on replacing my aging, modest system that runs v4.5 pretty nicely but will probably melt like a $2 pistol trying to run 2020. When I'm ready, I hope to find you all still here having sorted out the release day trauma. By then I expect the skies will be much clearer and the frames faster than today. Remember...baby steps. Even the Wright brothers had to tweak their state of the art before it would fly.

Cheers!

Brian

17 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

That seems to make thing worse. Even if they are not having problems they still don't like it. I mean man some of those folks will buy anything that shows up.

Bingo... it doesn't matter why the reviews are negative, whether you think it's fair or not. This is the world of consumer products where bad reviews will cost a company dearly.

I'm still trying to figure out how they got IGN to give this a 10/10. 

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by langly

I tried a couple of flights on the 787 and struggled mightily. This business with configuring sensitivity and dead zones is killing me. Also, I can barely read the flight displays since the font seems tiny. I tried landing the 787 and crashed just short of the runway. MSFS is really testing me.

Cheers, Pete

 

37 minutes ago, W2DR said:

I'm with you. I've been at this since FS2 and this first day beats them all (IMNSHO).............

Cheers! I felt like, well... the first time I taxi'd and flew a real world Piper in my PPL training back in 1987. THAT is how good this day 1 was to me! Taxi, takeoff and landing are just awesome.

I purposely started in Jamestown, North Dakota USA. Why? Who has heard of it? ... exactly. I figured if I was "wowed" by Jamestown North Dakota, I am going to be blown away by the rest of this FS World. So I still haven't left Jamestown and toured all around. Never knew there was a Dam there! Incredible - absolutely incredible...

Later this week it's off to Minnesota I think...

50 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

WoW I did not expect that. I would expect to see several new job postings over at MS.I have never used Steam but I know it is a big deal to T off that many people.

No wonder MS has so many employees in these forms trying to pump things up.

Good to know that the serious simmers are now taking pointers from the same Steam gamer crowd that they were looking down on a few minutes ago. Imagine how they would review X-Plane and P3D if there were enough people buying them.

32 minutes ago, langly said:

I'm still trying to figure out how they got IGN to give this a 10/10. 

What is there to figure out? It's very obvious why they liked it so much. 

2 hours ago, W2DR said:

...just how good the aircraft in P3D really are (comparitively speaking).

Are you kidding me? There very first hours of release and you are criticizing. You are better than that..

Geez. It has been stated that the release was pushed. It's going to get better. Trust me.

31 minutes ago, KERNEL32 said:

am going to be blown away by the rest of this FS World.

I flew low level in a 172 over Sedona following the roads and crests. It was surreal how good it felt and looked. So much fun. VR will be killer.

13 hours ago, ckyliu said:

41% of Steam reviewers state they advise against purchasing MFS, that says a lot.

Many of the negative Steam reviews are because, as noted elsewhere here, the install time counts as game runtime.    This means that by the time the sim gets installed, for most folks, they are outside Steam's 2 hour refund period.  This is a justifiable complaint, but it says nothing about the quality of the software itself, only the cack-handed way MS handled the installation.

A lot of Steam gamers are quick to complain and have as much of a righteous sense of entitlement as some of the folks here who expect a massive commercial product -- particularly one with a revolutionary, truly next-gen scenery system -- to work 100% perfectly and accurately on day 1.  *No* AAA product is like that.

1 minute ago, kaosfere said:

Many of the negative Steam reviews are because, as noted elsewhere here, the install time counts as game runtime.    This means that by the time the sim gets installed, for most folks, they are outside Steam's 2 hour refund period.  This is a justifiable complaint, but it says nothing about the quality of the software itself, only the cack-handed way MS handled the installation.

A lot of Steam gamers are quick to complain and have as much of a righteous sense of entitlement as some of the folks here who expect a massive commercial product -- particularly one with a revolutionary, truly next-gen scenery system -- to work 100% perfectly and accurately on day 1.  *No* AAA product is like that.

That's what I was going to say.

I went and looked at the first page of reviews last night. Every negative review but one was about the installer, not the game itself. I suspect Steam would still refund if people requested. They are good about stuff like that.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by bonchie

Funny you say that, I've just had a great flight in P3dv5 EHAM to EDDF PMDG 747 👍

15 hours ago, W2DR said:

...just how good the aircraft in P3D really are (comparitively speaking).

I would say different, and even then, you better have an A2A or PMDG plane vs. default P3D stuff.

P3D's flight model is very static feeling. That gives it a very stable, polished feel. Others say it's "on rails" but that sounds too negative to me. Sometimes I prefer the stability of the P3D model to XP11 or MSFS because the latter two sims don't simulate smooth air very well IMO.

But it's also very limited when you are talking about simulating movement of the plane through the air mass. The jostling you get in a small GA on short final in the real world just isn't there. The wind shifts going over trees and buildings don't exist. Turbulence never really feels like turbulence. Camera tricks attempt to model this stuff in P3D, but it's not the same.

In the end, I prefer what XP11 and MSFS are attempting to do, with the caveat that MSFS will need time to evolve.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by bonchie

13 hours ago, PilotPete99 said:

I tried a couple of flights on the 787 and struggled mightily. This business with configuring sensitivity and dead zones is killing me. Also, I can barely read the flight displays since the font seems tiny. I tried landing the 787 and crashed just short of the runway. MSFS is really testing me.

Cheers, Pete

 

Did you assigned your flight control to pitch axis, roll axis, yaw axis or to something else? I'm using TM Warthog and CH rudder, and do not have sensitivity issues, but initially  I had because I assigned wrong binding

13 hours ago, shivers9 said:

WoW I did not expect that. I would expect to see several new job postings over at MS.I have never used Steam but I know it is a big deal to T off that many people.

No wonder MS has so many employees in these forms trying to pump things up.

Steam reviews are currently rated "mixed". Given that most Steam products are rated pretty positively (i'm usually looking for the "Overwhelmingly positive" tag when I'm buying), that is a big problem for Asobo.

They've made an absolute mess of the launch through a combination of overhyping, releasing a product that (arguably) wasn't ready for the big time and then delivering a Steam installer that several users have declared to be the "worst ever". Not a good start, chaps.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by OzWhitey