10 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

I’ve been here well over a decade and i’ve “navigated to the forum via the headers” every single time i’ve posted. It both common sense and common courtesy to know which forum you’re posting in.

As to the second point - we’re not salty about “progress”, we’re salty about the MSFS fans who’ve spent the past six months telling us how outdated and doomed P3D is. We don’t want to hear it any more, it’s not remotely true and it got old a long time ago.

Again, I suggest you read the subject header; after all, you claim you always do.  To that point, it’s not ‘summers’ telling you anything. Instead, it’s the leader of the largest simulation distribution platform available. He’s literally telling you the P3D market is flat/dead. Others have indicated the same (including quotes from the thread) You can disagree all you want; however, your disagreement is based on an uniformed OPINION.  His is based on fact gleaned from market data. Who’s should we value more?  Hmmmm

11 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Again, I suggest you read the subject header; after all, you claim you always do.  To that point, it’s not ‘summers’ telling you anything. Instead, it’s the leader of the largest simulation distribution platform available. He’s literally telling you the P3D market is flat/dead. Others have indicated the same (including quotes from the thread) You can disagree all you want; however, your disagreement is based on an uniformed OPINION.  His is based on fact gleaned from market data. Who’s should we value more?  Hmmmm

I think orbx is bigger than aerosoft. 

2 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I respect Mathijs, he’s consistently promoted new platforms in the past and declared them great foundations an new innovations, he’s done it for P3D and for XP and for FSX, etc.  

However, I don’t recall him drawing a line in the sand before on any platform, so this is a new approach and I’ll assume he wants to try to shift more users to MSFS.  Given the mediocre reviews of MSFS on Steam and MS Store, perhaps he’s concerned about his contract investments in MSFS products and potential revenue from those MSFS products?  Sales not meeting expectations?

This is the only reason I can come up for making such a public announcement given Aerosoft have a massive volume of existing P3D content which he seems to be writing off ... not sure how that’s good for Aerosoft?

Cheers, Rob.

 

Or he is simply looking at his sales figures and he is right? I believe him that sales for P3D have flat lined, I really don't like AS and really don't like there Mods(not all) and will probably never buy from them again directly, but Mathijs is normally open and frank and that I do like.

You might want to imply he has some agenda but this is what Gary from UK2000 said.

Gary from UK2000 quote "new Flightsim from Mircrosoft, this is the reason for a 60% reduction in my sales and I'm as eager as you for it to be released!."

So personally I do think sales of addons for P3D are flat lining all my addons i've bought are for MSFS and will be that way until I feel differently. I have more than enough invested in P3D and for FSL/PMDG I feel no need to add anything else for airline flying, I will not be even buying the FSL SL. Happy to run both sim's as they are for different types of flying. Also DCS for F-18 etc. But I will not be spending anything on P3D for some time.

P3D is not dead and I hope 5.1+ is great as airline simulation needs it. I also stop spending when investing into DCS.

All 3 sims can live side by side imo and why not each do things the others simple cannot do.

 

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by Nyxx

I think we all agree P3d and xplane sales are down. However msfs has zero airliners ready for prime time. And it likely will be spring when they do. So why would I even care about it until then?  

3 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Again, I suggest you read the subject header; after all, you claim you always do.  To that point, it’s not ‘summers’ telling you anything. Instead, it’s the leader of the largest simulation distribution platform available. He’s literally telling you the P3D market is flat/dead. Others have indicated the same (including quotes from the thread) You can disagree all you want; however, your disagreement is based on an uniformed OPINION.  His is based on fact gleaned from market data. Who’s should we value more?  Hmmmm

No, I think Simmarket is the largest simulation distribution platform available.  They sure have a larger catalog and get a lot more of my money than Aerosoft ever has.  Aerosoft also has disclosed an established business relationship with M$, so what Mathijs Kok says about P3D has to be taken with his declared commercial interest in mind.

At any rate, I think OzWhitey hit it on the head...the assertion that P3D is dead is simply not true.  Are sales down on P3D addons?  Yeah, they undoubtably have been as everyone waited to see what would actually materialize w/r/t MSFS, but we'll see how it goes as the post-release reality continues to set in all across Simlandia.  If Aerosoft wants to talk itself out of the P3D market, I'm sure that Miguel Blaufuks at Simmarket would be more than happy to snap up that additional market share.

@w6kd  checkmate. Great points. They can’t be denied.  Even for a troll 

25 minutes ago, MagentaChild said:

I hope the rock you have been living under for the past couple of years is cosy.

Within the larger sim community "Zibo type" refers to a community modded default aircraft that comes close in certain aspects to study-level aircraft. But at no cost, therefore making complex aircraft available for a much larger range of simmers than 100$+ products.

Well, I've been simming under my rock for about 20 years but not following X-Plane at all, especially during the last 2 years since the mod was released, that, and my lack of interest with X-Plane, Boeings & 'Bus's confused me a bit. Do all non X-Planers talk about the Zibo  737?

I had no idea of what was being talked about, & still cannot see the revelance of an X-Plane freeware modded plane with MSFS

One other point. Many developers claim their sales are down because of msfs. Surely that’s true. But many of the big purchasers have already bought their products. So their sales are down often because they haven’t brought anything to the P3d market in a while 

6 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Highlight the "Mostly Positive" ... you get a 73% ... that's a C- in my book and that defines mediocre.

From MS Store 3 out of 5 stars, again marks mediocre:

Even AeroFly2 scores higher at 76% than MSFS:

And XPlane11 at 90%: 

Lets try a different type of simulator, Farm Simulator at 91%:

How about a title that has nothing to do with simulation like Crusader Kings III at 92% but is a recent released (after MSFS):

  

MSFS isn't scoring well even 1 month later.  But even if you ignore the review scores and just look at number of reviews, top tier new game releases will get 90,000-200,000 reviews in a month and that will give you an idea of "sales" and interest.

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think AS really cares about the reviews...

 

It's a sales and number game first and foremost!

10 minutes ago, micstatic said:

One other point. Many developers claim their sales are down because of msfs. Surely that’s true. But many of the big purchasers have already bought their products. So their sales are down often because they haven’t brought anything to the P3d market in a while 

Very good observation.  The reason my buying has been down these last 6 months is *exactly* that--fewer new products of interest to buy.  When I do find good new P3D stuff, like TropicalSim's Albuquerque a few weeks back, I still pull the trigger.  But lamenting that an airport that was designed for P3D v3 four years ago and only received minor updates since isn't selling like it used to, well...I suspect that sales of Jurassic Park DVDs have probably dropped over time, too.  It's still a good movie, but I bought the DVD years ago and don't need two.

9 minutes ago, w6kd said:

No, I think Simmarket is the largest simulation distribution platform available.  They sure have a larger catalog and get a lot more of my money than Aerosoft ever has.  Aerosoft also has disclosed an established business relationship with M$, so what Mathijs Kok says about P3D has to be taken with his declared commercial interest in mind.

At any rate, I think OzWhitey hit it on the head...the assertion that P3D is dead is simply not true.  Are sales down on P3D addons?  Yeah, they undoubtably have been as everyone waited to see what would actually materialize w/r/t MSFS, but we'll see how it goes as the post-release reality continues to set in all across Simlandia.  If Aerosoft wants to talk itself out of the P3D market, I'm sure that Miguel Blaufuks at Simmarket would be more than happy to snap up that additional market share.

Simmarket is a broker; they simply provide a platform for others to sell their product and take a 25%/30% cut. They do not distribute, market, or provide support for any product. Their developer efforts end at helping with the installer. To that point, they are completely platform agnostic. In short, you’re making an apples-to-Jeep comparison. 

Why do you think MS made a distribution deal with Aerosoft?  It’s because they have the capital, infrastructure, and customer base to execute the mass distribution required for a major game release. It’s also why PMDG and many others rely exclusively on Aerosoft to distribute their products. Nobody else operates in that capacity.
 
Finally, I never stated P3D is dead; however, you would be a fool not to acknowledge their position in the market is extremely compromised. Consequently, future aircraft production is in serious jeopardy.  I doubt PMDG, Aerosoft or others will start a clean sheet design for P3D again.  I don’t see anyone disagreeing with that assertion; 

Anecdotally, if you fly on VATSIM, you can surmise that P3D is declining. That place was an absolute ghost town until Asabo released the patch to correct simconnect; suddenly with vPilot fixed, that place lit up again. Again, it’s not a hard data point but it’s certainly worth discussing. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Kilo60 said:

 

I don't think AS really cares about the reviews...

 

It's a sales and number game first and foremost!

So now you have forgotten your original points. I’m going to go out on a limb on behalf of this forum. Please. Just move along. Nobody here cares about your replies or input. Frankly it’s destructed a  thread that could have been very interesting. Hopefully it will be. 

2 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Simmarket is a broker; they simply provide a platform for others to sell their product and take a 25%/30% cut. They do not distribute, market, or provide support for any product. Their developer efforts end at helping with the installer. To that point, they are completely platform agnostic. In short, you’re making an apples-to-Jeep comparison. 

Why do you think MS made a distribution deal with Aerosoft?  It’s because they have the capital, infrastructure, and customer base to execute the mass distribution required for a major game release. It’s also why PMDG and many others rely exclusively on Aerosoft to distribute their products. Nobody else operates in that capacity.
 
Finally, I never stated P3D is dead; however, you would be a fool not to acknowledge their position in the market is extremely compromised. Consequently, future aircraft production is in serious jeopardy.  I doubt PMDG, Aerosoft or others will start a clean sheet design for P3D again.  I don’t see anyone disagreeing with that assertion; 

Anecdotally, if you fly on VATSIM, you can surmise that P3D is declining. That place was an absolute ghost town until Asabo released the patch to correct simconnect; suddenly with vPilot fixed, that place lit up again. Again, it’s not a hard data point but it’s certainly worth discussing. 
 

 

Totally wrong again. Vatsim has an absolute mega boost right around the start of Covid but before msfs. Look it up. 

17 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Well, I've been simming under my rock for about 20 years but not following X-Plane at all, especially during the last 2 years since the mod was released, that, and my lack of interest with X-Plane, Boeings & 'Bus's confused me a bit. Do all non X-Planers talk about the Zibo  737?

I had no idea of what was being talked about, & still cannot see the revelance of an X-Plane freeware modded plane with MSFS

The relevance is to correlate the efforts underway to enhance the default A320 to a study-level platform. To that point, the Zibo mod is the gold standard for freeware aircraft development; if the A320 reaches that level of simulation, we can end the discussion about the lack of quality jetliners in MSFS. Similar to the new flight simulator’s recognized nomenclature, I suspect you’re the only person who didn’t recognize the correlation... 

 

 

Usual P3Defenders getting tilted in this thread. Maybe Lockheed should make a better product? 4 out of 10 flights end in a CTD because of the SimConnect window bug. Why would I keep buying add ons for it?