Just now, Dillon said:

Ok, wrong word use...  I don't like gambling...

I was joking also. These discussion just have me laughing and shaking my head. Like the old school yard. "My Bats bigger than yours."🙂

Edited September 24, 20205 yr by Adrian123

1 hour ago, flycln said:

True, should call it a game to watch blurry Bing scenery. 

Well I dont have any blurry scenery.  I guess I must be lucky with my computer spec. 👍

9 minutes ago, Dillon said:

From a stand still they added wind and to see the plane realistically take off yet stay still in place was one of the test that let me know we're in for something in the near future.  My test on fuel load and it's affects on landing was another area that got me that I didn't think much of in other sims.

Any simulator with a functioning physics engine will display both of those effects.  They derive from the basic summations of forces acting on the aircraft.

11 minutes ago, langly said:

Man some of you have been so brainwashed and it's scary. Anybody with any criticism of this simulator is told to leave and they are wrong, which is hilarious because it just showcases the insecurity you all have about this buggy and mediocre version of Google Earth.

I paid $120 for this game, I develop for this game, and I'm entitled to voice my displeasure for this game.

It looks pretty but it sucks for those who want to simulate flight.

Fairly sure its less brainwashed and actually enjoying what they have and not getting all wound up over the bugs.  And to be perfectly blunt lately every positive topic anyone has created has had someone come in complain about it.  Meanwhile we get like 20 duplicate topics about the same bug.  People are entitled to their opinions sure but you don't have to poo poo everyone elses enjoyment just because you are unhappy.  Its bad on the official forums and its getting just as bad here.  We had a nice topic someone talked about their past experiences and how much they enjoyed it and it was pretty positive then someone had to come in and go on and on about how miserable their experience was.  Great we get it.  There is bugs go post on the dozens and dozens of duplicate bug posts; no need to ruin people trying to enjoy themselves even a little.

No one I think is denying that we just have seen what they have done and have a lot of reason to believe we will continue to get patches since they have been backing up their words with action.  We have never had this much clear communication except from maybe Laminar's developer blogs.

2 hours ago, Chock said:

At which point either Lockheed Martin or Dovetail, or someone else will step up and do their version of it because they know there's a market already been set up which they could make money off. So I wouldn't worry too much about that scenario, it could even be a good thing, when Aces closed it was good for FSX, with it ending up getting a recompile with the service packs and tweaks built in plus nemerous improvements and additions, and it resulted in P3D coming into existence, as well as prompting Laminar to make more of an effort to sell things with some of the competition being out of the way for a while.

FSX was a fat client and not thin like FS2020 (not in the truest since but close enough)... If your doing a comparison how log did it take Lockheed to sell the first version of P3D after Aces was shut down?  Even with Aces shut down you could still buy FSX.  You can't use FS2020 without an internet connection and Microsoft.  I've seen the scenery without an internet connection and it's not pretty... 

Edited September 24, 20205 yr by Dillon

8 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

I was joking also. These discussion just have me laughing and shaking my head. Like the old school yard. "My Bats bigger than yours."🙂

You are very correct.  What can I say, it's a hobby we love.

17 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

Sure, it's the same for the Steam version, because the Steam download is just a 600MB shim to the full 100GB download off of Microsoft's servers.

The fact that continued existence of the base game is 100% at the whim of Microsoft is definitely something I'd think of before dropping 100s and 100s of dollars on 3rd party add-ons, given what happened with MS Flight.

Well generally flight simming is cheap enough as hobbies go.  Even with a sim pit and $1000 plus Yokes and pedals you are not going to come close to the annual cost of many other hobbies, whether its restoring vintage cars, maintaining a yacht, playing golf in a major city, world travel (not much of that happening with Covid) or simply renovating your house. Even model trains can cost $5000 plus for one locomotive.  As for real world flying, hiring anything bigger than a Cessna is going to cost you hundreds of dollars an hour and the price of hiring a helicopter per hour, assuming someone will actually hire you one if you have less than a 1000 hours logged, is daunting.  As for restoring Vintage aircraft, a friend of mine working a fw190 project a few years back once said "restoring vintage aircraft is the fastest way known to man to convert a large fortune into a vastly smaller one".

Flight sim gear and addons are not an investment. You need to work out if what you are paying is worth it TO YOU compared to what you could otherwise do with the same money.  In terms of FS2020, if you think the sim may only last say 2 years the question will be will i get $20/$50/whatever of use and enjoyment out of this aircraft/airport over a 2 year period. If yes buy it if not save the money and go buy beer or something with it.

 

 

4 hours ago, marsman2020 said:

That's just adding salt to the wound.  At least if I buy a bunch of add-ons for FSX or X-Plane I can be assured that my copy of the game will always work in the future.  With FS2020, Microsoft has total control and can kill the entire thing on a whim if they want to.

I like the last part of this so much I'll leave the rest alone.  This is a major issue for me considering this community's history with Microsoft.  Satya Nadella is a great CEO and is making great strides in expanding the gaming departments at Microsoft (although I consider FS a simulation). As always you get the wrong CEO in charge and all of this goes south.  That's more so what I'm looking at.

Edited September 24, 20205 yr by Dillon

LOL listen to all of the complaining...been around the MSFS franchise long????

1 hour ago, Bert Pieke said:

Some of us remember MS Flight  ☹️

And how much did you invest in MS Flight?

3 minutes ago, wthomas33065 said:

And how much did you invest in MS Flight?

At least several thousand seconds of our time.

12 minutes ago, pjs37 said:

At least several thousand seconds of our time.

Exactly!!!.  How dare MS pull the plug on a product they gave away for free expecting to make money on  in game sales that never materialized.  How irresponsible.🤯

52 minutes ago, Dillon said:

FSX was a fat client and not thin like FS2020 (not in the truest since but close enough)... If your doing a comparison how log did it take Lockheed to sell the first version of P3D after Aces was shut down?  Even with Aces shut down you could still buy FSX.  You can't use FS2020 without an internet connection and Microsoft.  I've seen the scenery without an internet connection and it's not pretty... 

I think you'd have to bear in mind that most historical iterations of the ESP platform required some alterations to the way things were distributed for a kick off, so the suggestion concerning size and distribution method dependency is not, nor would not be an issue were another company to grasp the mantle and nor would it in those circumstances, be dependent upon MS either any more than MS was much to do with FSX-SE and FSW. FSX-SE, FSW and XPlane 11 have all made use of Steam for distribution for example, and technology only advances, so who knows what other things might come into play over a period of a decade?

P3D as a concept was well under way before the Aces Studio closed and actually may well have been a factor in it doing so, although obviously not everything that is discussed becomes public. However, the ESP platform being offered as a starting point for other simulator developments occurred around one and a half years before the Aces Studio closed (these dates being 2007 and 2009 respectively), and it was just four months after the closure that P3D was announced, but it had been in development for a while and so it was released in late 2010, thus it was approximately 18 months from the closure of Aces to P3D v1 going on sale.

But of course all this talk of the demise is a bit previous to say the least. Moreover, I'm sometimes baffled at the mindset of people who think this way; I wonder if they also get depressed about finishing a bottle of wine before they've even opened it and had a taste. MSFS is clearly the catalyst for a platform which MS can leverage for any number of uses - not least of which could be the aforementioned scenarios - although personally I think they'll be inclined to stay with it and explore rosier avenues, and even if not immediately so, then for no other reason than the publicity it has garnered. But bearing in mind too that it isn't dependent on self-sustaining success any more than Lockheed Martin's existence is dependent upon P3D. Both of these things could cheerfully be loss leaders for their respective developers, yet not even dent their bottom line in any especially noticeable fashion.

Edited September 24, 20205 yr by Chock

6 hours ago, Marco Manieri said:

We ha have to keep pushing Asobo to fix bugs, complete lacking features they marketed, allow for 3PD to do their magic: but that's exactly what all sims always needed and will need.

Asobo are in Xbox mode...  The bugs and lacking features that PC users complain about are irrelevant to "XBoxers" who are kiddies and casual users.

Asobo are like "oh those whinging PC users again 🤦‍♂️, just keep updating the road map and pretend we are doing stuff, that'll keep em happy 🤣".

 

 

12 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Asobo are in Xbox mode...  The bugs and lacking features that PC users complain about are irrelevant to "XBoxers" who are kiddies and casual users.

Asobo are like "oh those whinging PC users again 🤦‍♂️, just keep updating the road map and pretend we are doing stuff, that'll keep em happy 🤣".

Yes not like the first two patches did anything to fix stuff just made it go on the Xbox console---oh wait not it didn't it actually fixed the things they said they were going to address.  Granted the latest one now introduced new issues but that was on their patch list for the next one.  So for the two patches we got; they gave us what they said they were going to do....and so we don't believe them because? They actually followed through?  The horror.