I've been trying to create a flight plan using the World Map. After entering the departure and destination airport details, I start entering a series of VOR and waypoints. Entering the first, and sometimes the second, works OK, but then the next VOR or waypoint is not sequenced correctly e.g., the third waypoint  does not follow the second one I entered. Is there some way either using the World Map or the Nav Log to move flight plan waypoints so they are in the desired sequence?

Thanks,

Al

Edited October 7, 20205 yr by ark

I believe you are better off creating the flightplan in LitteNavMap and exporting it as a pln file.  🙂

4 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I believe you are better off creating the flightplan in LitteNavMap and exporting it as a pln file.  🙂

Yes, I have done that. I was just trying to understand how it "all" works (or doesn't work!).  😉

Thanks Bert,

Al 

3 minutes ago, ark said:

Yes, I have done that. I was just trying to understand how it "all" works (or doesn't work!).  😉

 

Doesn't work is closer to what I have witnessed..  🙂

10 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

Doesn't work is closer to what I have witnessed..  🙂

I thought maybe the flight planner was trying to minimize the total distance (traveling salesman problem), but apparently not so, and there are lots of reasons why that may not be desirable, such as when avoiding bad weather. Why the system won't at least sequence the waypoints in the order that you enter them is really very strange. I was hoping maybe the Nav Log would let you move waypoints up or down like some flight planners do, but apparently not.  And if you want to use the same airport for departure and destination...  I thought it might help to initially leave the destination airport blank until all waypoints were entered, but the planner forced me to enter the first waypoint, a VOR, as the destination airport!  The World Map flight planning system really seems to be poorly designed, at least currently.

Al

Edited October 7, 20205 yr by ark

just set departure airport, then arrival airport, then select hi\low IFR, then just add waypoints from the last from your route to the first (reverse order), that all works for me.

also, if you have forgot to pick parking spot when you selected departure, be aware that if you select one from airport click-menu you will lost all your manually entered waypoints. you can select parking position from the top menu of airport though, that way your route will not reset. (helpful if you load any .pln)

you can select flight level at any moment.

also, if you importing .pln files from third party planners\sites and you noticed that you have your route on world map, but not actual waypoints displayed - fear not, it will all be in your FMC when you will load your flight.

cheers

Edited October 7, 20205 yr by BackboneOne

1 hour ago, BackboneOne said:

just set departure airport, then arrival airport, then select hi\low IFR, then just add waypoints from the last from your route to the first (reverse order), that all works for me.

Thanks for the input, but it doesn't always work for me. If I enter a VOR that happens to be the waypoint nearest the departure airport, it seems to always sequence it as the first waypoint after the departure airport. For example,  if I want to use the same airport for departure and arrival, and want to use a VOR near the airport as the final waypoint, the flight planner will not allow me to do so, but makes that VOR the first waypoint.

Al

Edited October 7, 20205 yr by ark

This will be one area a third party development would be welcome, as I dont think that MS will get to it anytime soon.  MS had a great idea but it was left at very much a 'gamish' level.  Which is not so bad, but it did not really allow a good level of user manipulation.

Nothing works to solve the problem you describe.  I have posted several times about this issue and no proposed solution allows me to get the waypoints in the desired order.  The ONLY exception I can find is IF each waypoint is further distant from the Departure airport than is the previous one.   Many respondents have said this is a trivial issue and not worthy of our concern.

I feel that the inability to add waypoints in the desired order is one of the most basic functions that should be available in a modern flight sim.

I agree any decent flight planner should certainly let the user select the sequence of waypoints.

Thanks for the inputs -- good to know the problem is not just a bug on my particular system.

Al

Edited October 7, 20205 yr by ark

The absence of a world map with useful information and the impossibility to create flightplans there that go beyond A to B is just another great visualisation of the customers this sim was initially made for. No other explanation possible for a sim based on a map display software... I really hope they improve this, but as I never read anything about this, I doubt that it has any prio right now. They still concentrate on eye candy stuff (happily with some good exceptions). 

Personally, I am looking forward to this Xbox release. If this is over and sales are good (what I hope), they can finally start on developing this thing into the sim we are (still) all hoping for. 

I guess most people are simply using the flight planner to fly between two airports and are letting the sim place all the waypoints in between. I did not even know until this thread that you could manually enter waypoints in the world flight planner. I mainly fly the A320 so that probably makes a difference too.

I've found that importing a plan doesn't work correctly either.  If you want to add an approach to it at least.  It will wipe everything and do its own routing.  Same thing if you load a saved flightplan that you created in sim and saved with everything.  It loses the approach and adding it wipes the plan.  

Little NavMap has saved me from getting frustrated to insanity, it's a great program that really works.

I really hope they add more features and improve on the built-in flight planner. It certainly has a lot of potential. It feels much more immersive and a lot more intuitive with the entire earth how you can rotate and zoom in. I rather like to depend on less 3rd party software if everything can be built into the sim itself. They have the basic functionality of the flight planning part down, they just need to focus on it more and give us more control over the flight planning process.