4 hours ago, bendead said:

Well, I hope we will see a lot more on the actual update than what we are seeing here. Update 5 also look disappointing

I think they’re getting into a habit of underpromising now, so they don’t get chastised and eaten alive for underdelivering.

Which I mean, is 100% understandable. Have you seen how toxic some flight sim forums can be?!

Very refreshing to see this kind of transparency. A welcomed change from the way this community has traditionally worked, and how many of the 3rd party add on developers still work.

Maybe this example of transparency will end the “it will be ready when it’s ready and when we decide to tell you” attitude that so many add on devs have had for decades now.

Edited October 9, 20205 yr by neil0311

4 hours ago, seamaster55 said:

I agree.

A320 autopilot now unusable after last patch.

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I feel like I've been had!😒

Strange, it worked pretty well flying me from Yakutz to Irkut including the ILS approach a few days ago. I did find a hiccup where it didn't seem to want to change altitude until I used VS twice each time but that's hardly unusable.

18 hours ago, fppilot said:

Today I completed two flights and the logbook shows no landings and the destinations are grass strips 25 to 30 miles from the airports I landed at.

On another thread somebody was saying the logbook was game-like and they wanted it removed.

Essentially, there is no pleasing us, and I do worry that eventually Asobo will get the message that there is no apparent reward in even trying.

When the transparency gradually disappears, I suspect we will point the finger at absolutely everyone but ourselves.

 

1 hour ago, HiFlyer said:

Essentially, there is no pleasing us, and I do worry that eventually Asobo will get the message that there is no apparent reward in even trying.

 

I grew up in a family where virtually every male adult worked for John Deere Company, corporate.  I did as well for a bit over ten years.  Ingrained in my upbringing and in my work career is this:

I personally hope that Asobo will come forward and refine each element they have held out until it follows along.  We have not imagined that some day there will be a logbook.  Asobo has put it out there and it is now what it is now. 

I understand the frustration that some folks have with not having a completely playable sim (I, myself have decided to take a break, because after the latest patch, I have been encountering too many crashes, and there are too many little annoyances that I wish to simply not deal with at the moment).

But, let us be honest. Have Asobo given ANY of us the impression or attitude that they are doing us a favor by simply releasing a sim for us, or that they don't listen to us, or that they don't truly care about their product? Have they not modified the way they do things to bring themselves even closer to the wants and needs of the community that they so clearly are listening to? Have they given us ANY reason or indication that we should be "worried" about everything getting shuttered in a year or so?

So, when I see posts where the comments sound like Asobo are mafiosos who have duped us and taken our money... I simply scratch my head and sigh.

Perhaps I have become used to the Early Access model and realization that games (and even software, honestly) are rarely ever shipped nowadays completely "finished", and a process of constant iteration is the norm.

But I tell you what... i will take an Asobo and what they are demonstrating over almost any other game developer I have ever had dealings with. Perhaps many of the folks who "can't deal with the current situation" should do what I am doing. Take a break and disconnect from it. Wait 3-6 months and come back to it when things are more far along than they are now.

I, for one, have no doubt in my mind that if I am not getting my money's worth RIGHT NOW, I will, eventually, in the future get more than what I desire from the money I paid now. Perhaps deferred enjoyment is easier for me than others... but man, save the bickering for companies that truly deserve it.

3 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

On another thread somebody was saying the logbook was game-like and they wanted it removed.

Essentially, there is no pleasing us, and I do worry that eventually Asobo will get the message that there is no apparent reward in even trying.

When the transparency gradually disappears, I suspect we will point the finger at absolutely everyone but ourselves.

 

There is absolutely pleasing us.

Basic functionality to start with.

6 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

There is absolutely pleasing us.

Basic functionality to start with.

I don't believe it. Not only because others find the basic functionality acceptable now, (despite things needing to be fixed) but because even on our other sims that have been around for years, the list of complaints never comes to an end, and is probably just as long as when those sims were first created back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

So I'll repeat. There is no pleasing us.

2 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

I don't believe it. Not only because others find the basic functionality acceptable now, (despite things needing to be fixed) but because even on our other sims that have been around for years, the list of complaints never comes to an end, and is probably just as long as when those sims were first created back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

So I'll repeat. There is no pleasing us.

We have a large population of enthusiasts here.  We are individuals with individual gripes, and we are choirs of individuals with common concerns.  I trust that Asobo will listen to the choirs. The result will be music to the ears.

3 hours ago, salasnet said:

But, let us be honest. Have Asobo given ANY of us the impression or attitude that they are doing us a favor by simply releasing a sim for us, or that they don't listen to us, or that they don't truly care about their product? Have they not modified the way they do things to bring themselves even closer to the wants and needs of the community that they so clearly are listening to? Have they given us ANY reason or indication that we should be "worried" about everything getting shuttered in a year or so?

Their PR is good. The impression of transparency is good, although that didn't hold up in the Alpha test when so much was ignored.

They released this as a full retail product. Those of us who spent money on it -- in my case $90 USD -- have a right to ask why it isn't better than it is right now. That's more money than I've ever paid for a flight sim or a AAA game as an initial release.

The value proposition isn't looking that great right now, while we're waiting for patches for things recent patches have broken like the LOD issues, fixes for the AP, better GPS functionality, and while we're waiting for more aircraft to fly than what's in the default package. The scenery is fantastic when it's not glitching with LOD issues, but I want more than pretty scenery in a flight sim. 
 

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Perhaps I have become used to the Early Access model and realization that games (and even software, honestly) are rarely ever shipped nowadays completely "finished", and a process of constant iteration is the norm.

I have plenty of experience buying Early Access games. You know what you're getting into. But let's remember that this was not marketed as an Early Access game! They would have been smarter to take that approach, in my opinion.

I have not given up on it, I'm just sitting on the sidelines now to see how it develops. 

12 hours ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

Highlighting this post again. The Feedback Snapshot only includes the top community bug reports and feature requests, not everything that they are working on.

Absolutely people keep forgetting this thinking this is ALL they are working on but blah its getting pointless to try and tell people these things.  I think some people just want it to be a failure for a variety of reasons in their own eyes.

I'm curious about the items marked as not started yet have implementation dates (patch number) assigned to them.

Edited October 10, 20205 yr by viz

1 hour ago, Paraffin said:

The value proposition isn't looking that great right now,

I didn't realise P3D was actually worth $US200 until now. Let me just buy a $US100 NGXu to go with that, $40 GSX and $50 Active Sky, oh and two airports so $50, and the region they're in so another $50.

Yeah I'm gonna have to go back to math class.

At least XP is way cheaper. But then there's only the Zibo. Although I hear the ini builds is quite nice these days 🙂

Edited October 10, 20205 yr by suncoastflyer

5 hours ago, suncoastflyer said:

I didn't realise P3D was actually worth $US200 until now. Let me just buy a $US100 NGXu to go with that, $40 GSX and $50 Active Sky, oh and two airports so $50, and the region they're in so another $50.

Yeah I'm gonna have to go back to math class.🙂

I understand your point but to be fair the NGXu or whatever it ends up being called would still cost $US100 or more to use in MFS as well. GSX, Active Sky and the airports along with their region are another matter altogether.

Edited October 10, 20205 yr by SamYeager
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16 hours ago, pjs37 said:

Absolutely people keep forgetting this thinking this is ALL they are working on but blah its getting pointless to try and tell people these things.  I think some people just want it to be a failure for a variety of reasons in their own eyes.

They are also likely working on stuff other than bug fixing.

VR, seasons, helis are probably being worked by some of those 120 Asobo employees.