Really frustrating on the a/p.  I haven't returned to the sim since the update.  Yes I love the improved prettiness but I paid for a flight simulator and ended up receiving a quasi-Google earth.

There has been talk of Aerosoft releasing their CRJ ‘before the holidays’. With Asobo having broken the AP on all sim aircraft, I wonder if that will affect the CRJ being released now..... With a bit of luck, it will affect the CRJ and Asobo will be under greater pressure from Aerosoft to undo their horrible ‘fix’ sooner than a whole month from now.

29 minutes ago, MikeyOnTheFlightDeck said:

Really frustrating on the a/p.  I haven't returned to the sim since the update.  Yes I love the improved prettiness but I paid for a flight simulator and ended up receiving a quasi-Google earth.

The Bugs Update 7 ¹⁄₂: The Smell of Fear

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by OSM

I got this answer from MS after reporting this AP bug:

Quote

Support (Microsoft Flight Simulator)

Nov 26, 2020, 16:33 GMT+1

Hi Ulf,

This issue has been tracked in our internal bug tracker to be fixed in an upcoming patch. Please keep an eye on our development updates & Patch Notes in the next weeks.


Kind regards,
Microsoft Flight Simulator Support Team

 

9 minutes ago, PuffeB said:

I got this answer from MS after reporting this AP bug

So, how did that make you feel? 😉

I recorded some videos (YouTube may still be 'processing' these for HD viewing).  I need to find some editing software so I can cut them down into bite sized chunks and string them into 1 video, so these are 'unlisted' for now.  I also need to go into the MSFS video and update the descriptions with the times for each turn....they were so long....

100kts in the stock G1000 C172 for each sim.  Skip to the end-ish to see the LittleNavMap ground tracks.  I did a 90 degree turn, 3x 180 degree turns (simulating a holding pattern) and a 45 degree turn with each aircraft.

The XP11 AP slows down a couple degrees sooner and bit more aggressively than FSX, but the ground track still describes nice reasonable arcs AND there is a user-accessible AP tunables window provided in XP11 if I cared to tweak parameters. 

MSFS 1.11.6.0:

FSX:

X-Plane 11:

 

6 hours ago, bendead said:

And now, imagine having to wait 1 month to see it possibly fixed... 🙁

By then your turn should be done. 🤪

 

I noticed it today too, since I normally am just changing the HDG dial myself I found myself quickly just adding an extra 10-20 degrees to the turn then dialing it back to where it should be when I get close.

7 minutes ago, Bob_D said:

By then your turn should be done

???

 

7 minutes ago, Bob_D said:

I found myself quickly just adding an extra 10-20 degrees to the turn then dialing it back to where it should be when I get close.

It sounds like a russian solution, "This gearbox is perfect, just need a hammer to change gear"

my solution is way simpler, i dont use the ap, works like a charm.

13 hours ago, jpe828 said:

Robert, your observations are correct. The "smoothing" of the AP they have done has rendered it rather unrealistic. If the airplane is following a GPS course it seems to have very slow, but long course corrections too. And certainly, on the approach it impacts the Localizer capture and following the LOC. RNAV too. 

Exactly right. Asobo can't stop the wild gyrations without taming AP reactions down way too much. I have always thought the reason is that controller 'effectiveness' is set way way to high in all Asobo planes. By reducing all effectivnesses in flightcontrol.cfg files, my AP never ran so wildly all over the sky.

The boss of Asobo (guy in middle of 3 in the 'conferences') says the effectiveness settings mirror real life but seem to sensitive because there is no feedback from feeling the force of gravity as the plane changes acceleration vector. I don't believe it. They are too high. They were not too high in FSX.

By the way every single update erases my 3 changes in 25 flightmodel.cfg files. I just copy them all back over, takes about 10 minutes. Not fun. I reduce all 3 effectiveness: aileron, rudder, elevator. The last 2 needed more reduction than aileron. Steep reductions of 33 to 66 % in all default planes. All of them.

 

 

30 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

I recorded some videos (YouTube may still be 'processing' these for HD viewing).  I need to find some editing software so I can cut them down into bite sized chunks and string them into 1 video, so these are 'unlisted' for now.  I also need to go into the MSFS video and update the descriptions with the times for each turn....they were so long....

100kts in the stock G1000 C172 for each sim.  Skip to the end-ish to see the LittleNavMap ground tracks.  I did a 90 degree turn, 3x 180 degree turns (simulating a holding pattern) and a 45 degree turn with each aircraft.

The XP11 AP slows down a couple degrees sooner and bit more aggressively than FSX, but the ground track still describes nice reasonable arcs AND there is a user-accessible AP tunables window provided in XP11 if I cared to tweak parameters. 

Thanks a lot for that, no better way to show it,

Do you mind if I share the video?

38 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

So, how did that make you feel? 😉

Just reported bug also. Lets hope enough users do the same. They need to sort this one pronto!

I could live without Europe update, and without the other minor bugs and quirks. Asobo is one AP fix away from having produced the greatest consumer level simulation or game ever. But there is chance they never will get it fixed.

23 minutes ago, bendead said:

Thanks a lot for that, no better way to show it,

Do you mind if I share the video?

Sure....I set them to public....feel free to share....within the next day or so I will make an edited together version that tells the story better.

Edited November 26, 20205 yr by marsman2020

12 minutes ago, Fielder said:

But there is chance they never will get it fixed.

Well, if their strategy is tweak it until it's close enough, that won't work, and from the Q&A video, it seems to be the case