36 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

What "slaps me in the face" is that this is a superb simulator, three months out, with bugs, many steps forward, and a few misfires and steps back.

Well parts of it are superb, for scenery, weather visuals, aircraft 3d modelling and textures. Some of it is outstanding. But none of that makes it a simulator, which means a reasonable impression of how aircraft are meant to fly. 

36 minutes ago, robert young said:

The Asobo staff member declared it was "an improvement" because it solved the problem of sim pilots who were doing quite bizarre things in the first place. Whereas a competent pilot who simply wants the a/p to capture an elementary, bog standard turn now cannot do so.

This is something I am really worried about actually.

Seb's statement was they if you dialed in a 180 degree turn at some really high climb rate the AP would "freak out" and that this new update fixed that.

But was that case even within the expected capabilities of the AP and aircraft?  Or was it an aircraft climbing at just above stall such that any turn would cause a wing to stall and drop?

Asobo provides 0 documentation with the sim, not even a list of typical speeds at with to fly the aircraft at different phases of flight, or a simple 1 page document summarizing the modes and limitations of the AP.  NOTHING.  It is up to all of these new simmers who have never flown before to figure it out themselves or watch hours of (possibly not even correct or up to date) YouTube videos to try to figure it out.

A real aircraft has flight envelope limits and a real AP has operating limits.  Now it seems like instead of providing basic documentation of those items, they have compromised the realism of the AP to provide some kind of "envelope protection" against pilots doing unrealistic things, when it worked fine before when doing realistic things.

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by marsman2020

 

14 hours ago, Bob_D said:

By then your turn should be done. 🤪

14 hours ago, bendead said:

???

 

 

It was a joke, you said it would take a month to get a fix. And for how slow the turning is, at least in a months time your planes turn should be done. 🤔

Ok, I'll see my self out. /me slinks away.

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by Bob_D

4 hours ago, robert young said:

Well parts of it are superb, for scenery, weather visuals, aircraft 3d modelling and textures. Some of it is outstanding. But none of that makes it a simulator, which means a reasonable impression of how aircraft are meant to fly. 

From the business and professional point of view Microsoft have to add Flight Simulation Aerodynamics and Aeronautical Department (FSAAD) to the FS2020 project, and hire Robert as a Director to CONTROL Quality and GUIDE all Asobo activity in the FS2020 project!!!

To be able to control quality and guide Asobo, MS FSAAD must have 24/7 direct communication with the software and hardware 3PD and with the FS community to synchronize all available FS market resources and constantly collect, analyze and evaluate community and 3PD feedback.

Humans succeed if they find a way how to work together!

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by OSM

On 11/26/2020 at 4:32 AM, odourboy said:

Thanks for brining this up. I'd wondered what happened.

And here I thought it was just me. I'm like, where the heck is my aircraft going? And then I realized Asobo had changed the AP behavior.

9 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

And you base these assertions on what kind of verifiable evidence and facts?

Personal experience and multiple public pleas from well known and accomplished developers of all three classes of addon products.

8 hours ago, robert young said:

Some of it is outstanding. But none of that makes it a simulator, which means a reasonable impression of how aircraft are meant to fly. 

+1

8 hours ago, Bob_D said:

 

 

It was a joke, you said it would take a month to get a fix. And for how slow the turning is, at least in a months time your planes turn should be done. 🤔

Ok, I'll see my self out. /me slinks away.

HAHAHA, I get it now 😁

Sorry about it, since english is not my first language, sometime I just don't get it

13 hours ago, Noel said:

The prior sensitivity and capture was violent, now this is mush, and so they just need to turn the screws a little more the right direction.

I also think the autopilot has actually  been improved...  😉

Yes, it needs to be dialed in to be a bit more aggressive, but before it was too violent and occasionally even fatal..  I like it better now..

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by Bert Pieke

2 hours ago, fppilot said:

+1

+2

Just a few weeks ago folks were complaining about excessive oscillations of the AP. So they tried to reduce that and errored the other way and dampened the response. Can’t win I guess. 
 

Asobo autopilot consultant 

Should anyone really be surprised that the status quo vis-a-vis the planes is (systems-wise) less than stellar? To support my point, here's a suggestion ..... pop over to Wikipedia and look up Asobo, and try to work out from the details of their back-catalogue, which of the game titles listed speak to their being qualified to create believable aircraft in a flight simulator ....?????

AND when you've grappled with that one have a look at the following piece:

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-heres-how-microsoft-flight-simulators-developers-breathe-life-their-planes ......?????

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by AKStirling

19 hours ago, Eclex said:

Sometimes I hope MS takes control of this word not allowed . Fire ASOBO !

 

And take control..American programmers know algebra. French know arithmetic. Control systems

are designed by engineers who know calculus.  I am one.

 

Hi,

For 14 years Microsoft looked for brillant american engineers able to code a new flight simulator but failed, then they had no choice to ask for help from incompetent french engineers. What a mistake more than 1 millions copies sold in 3 months (but it s arithmetic not algebra). Hope they will soon beg real patriotic american engineers to save them. Sure this kind of post is very usefull to msfs and its community.

 « If there is anything that a man can do well, I say let him do it. Give him a chance » Lincoln

 

 

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by charliearon
fix quote

16 hours ago, marsman2020 said:

A real aircraft has flight envelope limits and a real AP has operating limits.  Now it seems like instead of providing basic documentation of those items, they have compromised the realism of the AP to provide some kind of "envelope protection" against pilots doing unrealistic things, when it worked fine before when doing realistic things.

Just wait until it's released on Xbox and they start listening and adjusting the sim to that crowd. Realism = RIP.