3 minutes ago, Beardyman said:

Yep, steam gauges :-).

In v5 u can set profiles, so u can have different settings for different planes/demands.

If ur fav is Lear which is so hungry then maybe really v5 is not ready for such planes.

SimStarterNG allows me to do that with v4.

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

. It's a combination of that aircraft, Bilbao, Dynamic Lighting and 4K that causes t he GPU to hit 100% and needs more resources than is available. The developers have been unable to confirm as none run at 4K. It eats in excess of 4Gb without DL enabled so that would give me greater concern than PMDG which are far less demanding of VRAM.

Your A2A aircraft is pretty simple in panel design aren't they?

I reported this at ORBX that in my opinion the VRAM usage at Bilbao, a small airport, is to high compared to other dyn-light intensive scenery (like EDDF).

They did report back and are assuming everything is fully optimized.

I use VR, and have a 4k screen. HP Reverb G2 needs pixels. That brings even my RTX 3090 24GB to it´s knees! No way I can use VR at that airport with medium settings (I get 60 FPS at KLAX with ORBX TE products!!).

So I think there must something be wrong with their dyn-light parameters.

Searching for dynamic lkight and LEBB Bilbao on ORBX forum brought up lots of posts regarding bad performance (also I found yours) 😉

Here is the link to my post overthere:

https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/196207-above-average-fps-impact-due-dynamic-light-at-orbx-some-airports-only-in-vr-or-high-resolution-screens/?tab=comments#comment-1684085

Marcus

Edited January 5, 20215 yr by mpo910

27 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Can´t you order in germany by CaseKing? They have several models (5 or 6 different)  in stock for weeks now. No issues getting one here. I bought mine there to 2 months ago. The cheapest costs EUR 1839,- today

I would call them if I where you. They are very customer friendly!

And they ship to outside germany too:

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Alle aufgeführten Versandkosten enthalten selbstverständlich die gesetzlich festgesetzte MwSt.

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Thanks for the hint. Should be possible to order there. Just here in Switzerland, my supplier digitec.ch stopped selling the gpu's because they couldn't satisfy the demand anymore and people got angry, waiting for weeks. 

I also checked Nvidia recently. The wrote, their own product is not available and when I went furter to a 3rd party supplier, on their site was full of products but if you went through to ordering one, it was stated, product delivery time unknown. So I assumed, they can't be bought anywhere on the world right now. Here even older products, like the 2080s and 2080Ti's are completely gone. 

Prices are very high too because of the shortage. Therefore I asked, if it's known, when they will be widely available. I can imagine to spend 1400 but not 1800 to 2000 at the moment. 

@mpo910, I really was tearing my hair out with that airport. Whatever tools they were using to develop it they really need to consider whether they are appropriate. In the end turning off DL cured it so whilst they kindly offered a refund (unheard of with downloads) I decided to keep it and turn DL off.

5 minutes ago, blaunarwal said:

 

Prices are very high too because of the shortage. Therefore I asked, if it's known, when they will be widely available. I can imagine to spend 1400 but not 1800 to 2000 at the moment. 

I fully understand you! If I would see lower prices at caseking, I will try to remember "you" 😉 and PM!

Marcus

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 I decided to keep it and turn DL off.

Hi Ray!

Where/How did you turned it off? Which files? Because within ORBX Central "config" it is not possible for LEBB, if I recall correctly (in P3D v5 version I should mention).

Thanks.

Marcus

Edited January 5, 20215 yr by mpo910

Marcus, I turned DL off in P3D. The taxi and landing lights on the Lear25 have a very significant impact on VRAM performance.

3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Is that @ 1080p resolution?

Just done a quick test at EHAM, in PMDG747, TE Netherlands. Modest system/1080 8GB card. 1080p res. Task manager shows 7.3 of 8GB. Running P3D 4.5.

The key question is whether that figure of 7.3GB VRAM is the same in P3Dv5 under the same conditions. If it is, then P3Dv5 is out of bounds for me on my current PC. In addition, I also need Earth Simulations Isle of Man/Guernsey/Isles of Scilly to work properly (which they do in P3Dv4).

For the record, I am not the kind of person who buys something to test it, and then return it for a refund if it does not work as required. When I make a decision, there is no going back

Edited January 5, 20215 yr by Christopher Low

44 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

The key question is whether that figure of 7.3GB VRAM is the same in P3Dv5 under the same conditions. If it is, then P3Dv5 is out of bounds for me on my current PC. In addition, I also need Earth Simulations Isle of Man/Guernsey/Isles of Scilly to work properly (which they do in P3Dv4).

For the record, I am not the kind of person who buys something to test it, and then return it for a refund if it does not work as required. When I make a decision, there is no going back

P3D V5 is showing more objects with the same slider settings compared to v4.5. I don´t have exact comparisons. but this fact would probably immediately use more VRAM. I don´t think it is much. 

It is hard to tell. Sorry.

Try it........you have 2 weeks to test before you have to ask for refund if you don´t like it.

Marcus

1 hour ago, IanHarrison said:

Just done a quick test at EHAM, in PMDG747, TE Netherlands. Modest system/1080 8GB card. 1080p res. Task manager shows 7.3 of 8GB. Running P3D 4.5.

edit: nevermind 

Edited January 5, 20215 yr by Chapstick

7 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Beardyman, does that apply to all 3rd party aircraft? Does PMDG aircraft consume as little?

I'm not Beardy, but I'll jump in and say that with a few exceptions, you would be fine with vram in v5.  You have the same monitor/res/video card that I have.

The few exceptions would be LatinVFR KMIA, with Leonardo MD-80, or Milviz King Air.  In those scenarios, you can push the limit with vram, if you run high settings.  Best to create a lower setting profile for use with those combos.

I have no experience with the PMDG 737 so I cannot comment.  I do own their 777 but still only have it in my v4.5 install.  I'm waiting for their 777 update to be released to move it to v5.

7 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I have the PMDG737 for v4 which would have to be repurchased at full price if I switch to v5. And the Vertx Diamond DA-62 will not work in v5 without some tweaking which is unsupported. So there's a considerable financial outlay to go to v5, not just the cost of P3D itself.

Then I think you answer your own question.

I still have my 4.5 install, and have only recently begun flying v5 more than 4.5

I find EA mode rather unfulfilling, even though certain aspects of it are wonderful (the "atmosphere"), but the limitations as to wx control in EA mode and depiction are not there yet.  For that reason I tend to fly in non-EA mode.  I'm a systems guy.  If I get the urge to cloud surf (which occasionally happens) I have MSFS for that, despite its woeful deficiencies.

I also find 4.5 to be very stable, whereas in v5 in the Milviz King Air and Chaseplane, if I start zooming in and out in the lower cockpit area, I can get a lockup.  Sometimes.  And sometimes it works flawlessly.   I can certainly see sticking with 4.5 if you have aircraft that only work in 4.5, or have a 6GB card, etc.   Do you still have your 32-bit v3/Concorde setup installed?

@Mace, I appreciate your advice and eventually I may well switch to v5. But now is not the right time as it needs to mature and become as stable as v4.5. This EA application is also first generation and as we both know they tend to get better over time.

Yes, I’m still running P3Dv3 solely for Concorde. A 64-bit version is promised for this year and will be compatible with v4 and v5. Hence I have no compelling need to change to v5.

2 hours ago, mpo910 said:

P3D V5 is showing more objects with the same slider settings compared to v4.5. I don´t have exact comparisons. but this fact would probably immediately use more VRAM. I don´t think it is much. 

It is hard to tell. Sorry.

Try it........you have 2 weeks to test before you have to ask for refund if you don´t like it.

Marcus

I think you are right on that. I have done some tests with Orbx's TE NorCal and SoCal regions and always found that if I eliminate the 3DM buildings (but retain the POIs) I save in the range of 1-1.4Gb of VRAM. This is despite the fct that all 3DM buildings share a limited set of textures, which suggests that textures alone do not account for the decrease in VRAM usage - it must also be the actual objects. Thus I would not be surprised if increases in autogen levels would hit VRAM, although due to their relative simplicity it might not be that much.

10 hours ago, GSalden said:

V5 with EA on. This is way beyond V4, which I had tuned to my personal taste. This looks very realistic to me ...

I'm sorry but I'm just not seeing how this looks so much better than v4. 

I've seen some other screenshots and videos of v5 and IMO it's just not that much better than v4, if at all.  I'm not doubting that with EA it looks better, but aren't there problems with EA?

The main reason I'd be interested in v5 is the improved performance and updated airports, although it seems the improved performance requires a very expensive video card to run at 2K resolution.

Dave