7 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Even minecraft is also doing real time ray tracing, dynamic lighting and global illumination too. But it's clear all this stuff is not coming to XP anytime soon.

Ok, you're right.  LR is closing up shop, and X-Plane 11 is the last version.  They simply cannot compete with Microsoft, and they're going to cut their losses.  They're all just too stupid to even compete with Minecraft.  You caught them out, Greazer.  Looks like I'm headed for the unemployment line.

2 hours ago, VFXSimmer said:

but it's to illustrate a point.

Actually illustrates my point perfectly, since minecraft has better lighting than any of them,

https://www.yogaming.com/minecraft-rtx-ray-tracing/

You can see exactly the (minimum) change to expect from next gen graphics. With next gen lighting almost certainly coming to xplane this year (better - or I and everyone else who voted it priority 1 go Greazer on them 🙂 msfs is going to be out of date before its even out of alpha.

Now, did you really write all that instead of spending 2 minutes to take a screenshot in MSFS (the time I spent on the screenshot, including loading time, which is why I missed I had unchecked the shadows on scenery checkbox last time I was testing stuff - probably I was playing CSGO at the same time)

Edited January 31, 20215 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

Ok, you're right.  LR is closing up shop, and X-Plane 11 is the last version.  They simply cannot compete with Microsoft, and they're going to cut their losses.  They're all just too stupid to even compete with Minecraft.  You caught them out, Greazer.  Looks like I'm headed for the unemployment line.

He keeps fishing you keep biting....

In a way, yeah, sure.  But I want to see where he goes after my last reply.  Maybe he'll stop?

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

Ok, you're right.  LR is closing up shop, and X-Plane 11 is the last version.  They simply cannot compete with Microsoft, and they're going to cut their losses.  They're all just too stupid to even compete with Minecraft.  You caught them out, Greazer.  Looks like I'm headed for the unemployment line.

As I said before, X Plane's future may be brighter if they can somehow win some Government or large company contracts, they would then have funds to hire graphics guru's to transform the engine.

1 hour ago, Greazer said:

As I said before, X Plane's future may be brighter if they can somehow win some Government or large company contracts, they would then have funds to hire graphics guru's to transform the engine.

They have, and they did.

I think the fact they talked about it is the actual reason they had to pull the last Q&A

 

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2 hours ago, GoranM said:

In a way, yeah, sure.  But I want to see where he goes after my last reply.  Maybe he'll stop?

Yeah and maybe they will find snow on the moon

Those "real Airbus pilots" are not doing their youtube and twitch shows on MSFS because the modded Neo is a better Airbus than the ones in P3D or X-Plane - they are doing it because they get more clicks and likes, because of the bigger user base and also because most of those users are more easily "awed" by a real Airbus pilot. Which is the same reason why a lot of third-party devs move over to MSFS, not because it is the easier platform to dev for, but because the most profit is to be had there and because the average user doesn´t even know that there are airport diagrams to compare his sim rendition to the real world.

X-Plane will again be a niche in a niche - for the fans and hardcore enthusiasts. Just like 10 years ago, the majority of "flightsimmers" will play the visually more appealing flightsimulator, not really caring for some of the finer details of aviation.

But for some reasons, they are still bothered by the existance of X-Plane. That constant nagging feeling that their flightsimulator is smiled upon by the elite, the bad conscience that they aren´t flying "as real as it gets" - but just "as pretty as it gets".

That´s why they feel the constant need to post screenshots to combat their insecurity - and if you point out something wrong with their simulator, you know by the reaction that you put a finger into that wound 😋.

@Janov Never truer words were typed, and at the same time, never has the hornets nest been shaken as hard as it has been in your post.

Brilliantly said!

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23 minutes ago, Janov said:

X-Plane will again be a niche in a niche -

but is that a best or worst case scenario?

And if we do get ps5/xbox series x versions of xplane with massive multiplayer and truly next gen graphics, who is going to baby sit for the 50 million complaints the plane pulls to the left when you dump full throttle.

My simplistic view on the future of XP.  I mentioned already they need to step their game in out of the window experience but..

Today I did online flying with 9 other guys, some had MS2020, a couple had P3D and I was the only one with XP.

We flew in Greece, Crete.  I had ortho scenery LV17 covering the entire are with overlays that I built.  I added some 40 freeware airports.  My flight experience was spectacular.  The gateway and freeware airports are super.  Yes there were a couple of glitches in the scenery but really inconsequential.

And tonight I fired up P3D4.5 for the first time in 2 years. I flew the exact flightplan.  I was shocked at how what I thought was a great sim, I have no need nor interest in flying except for specific areas. P3D loaded with Orbx Global, UT vector elements etc. were not match for my ortho, in fact P3D looks very cartoonish.  Its just true.

XP11.51 with good ortho is fantastic.  I suspect from the oh's and ah's that MS2020 was good as well in the scenery end of things, but I also heard lots of complaining, especially the planes are poor.

My take was there is lots of life in XP and if they keep building a better engine, it will be a good sim. 

Look, the only thing is folks need to have lots of HD capacity for the data, which I have and its cheap.

There are really two players, LR and MS and each have their strengths.  But when it comes to the planes and technical stuff of flying I'm thinking XP is out ahead.

cheers.

Bryan

56 minutes ago, Janov said:

Those "real Airbus pilots" are not doing their youtube and twitch shows on MSFS because the modded Neo is a better Airbus than the ones in P3D or X-Plane - they are doing it because they get more clicks and likes, because of the bigger user base and also because most of those users are more easily "awed" by a real Airbus pilot. Which is the same reason why a lot of third-party devs move over to MSFS, not because it is the easier platform to dev for, but because the most profit is to be had there and because the average user doesn´t even know that there are airport diagrams to compare his sim rendition to the real world.

X-Plane will again be a niche in a niche - for the fans and hardcore enthusiasts. Just like 10 years ago, the majority of "flightsimmers" will play the visually more appealing flightsimulator, not really caring for some of the finer details of aviation.

But for some reasons, they are still bothered by the existance of X-Plane. That constant nagging feeling that their flightsimulator is smiled upon by the elite, the bad conscience that they aren´t flying "as real as it gets" - but just "as pretty as it gets".

That´s why they feel the constant need to post screenshots to combat their insecurity - and if you point out something wrong with their simulator, you know by the reaction that you put a finger into that wound 😋.

Hmmm, who’s the one here with an overreaction to a critique of their preferred simulator?  You could easily just rewrite the last two paragraphs and swap Xplane for MSFS and it’d be valid.

I like xplane a lot, but right now msfs does a better job a simulating the visceral experience of flight.  If you actually watched the YouTube videos yould hear the same even from those in your profession.  They are pretty frank about the sophistication of the systems (most still give the nod for accuracy to P3D in fact), but to dismiss their joy as nothing but click bait shows that you haven’t seen them.  If that’s the attitude of those in a position to give feedback to LR then yeah xplane will be doomed to forever be a niche of a niche then, which is a shame because it doesn’t have to be.  And to put down people who want more than just accurate button pushing sounds a bit elitist.

If xplane is perfect, than criticisms in a thread about “the future of xplane” shouldn’t really bother you should they?  Who’s the one who’s insecure here?

6 minutes ago, VFXSimmer said:

And to put down people who want more than just accurate button pushing sounds a bit elitist.

I didn´t do that. I just put down people that don´t want accurate button pushing in the first place. 😋

You don´t get a type rating in a real aircraft for looking out of the window at great scenery. In fact the most challenging flights are where you see not much out of the window at all. You get it for accurate button pushing.

9 minutes ago, VFXSimmer said:

If xplane is perfect, than criticisms in a thread about “the future of xplane” shouldn’t really bother you should they?  Who’s the one who’s insecure here?

Factual and true criticism doesn´t bother me - and if you would be honest and read my replies, you would have to concede that I have freely admitted that X-Plane is inferior in the visual department.

What bothers me are false statements made by those who feel the need (for whatever reason) to shed a bad light onto X-Plane and it´s development team.

20 minutes ago, VFXSimmer said:

Hmmm, who’s the one here with an overreaction to a critique of their preferred simulator?  You could easily just rewrite the last two paragraphs and swap Xplane for MSFS and it’d be valid.

I like xplane a lot, but right now msfs does a better job a simulating the visceral experience of flight.  If you actually watched the YouTube videos yould hear the same even from those in your profession.  They are pretty frank about the sophistication of the systems (most still give the nod for accuracy to P3D in fact), but to dismiss their joy as nothing but click bait shows that you haven’t seen them.  If that’s the attitude of those in a position to give feedback to LR then yeah xplane will be doomed to forever be a niche of a niche then, which is a shame because it doesn’t have to be.  And to put down people who want more than just accurate button pushing sounds a bit elitist.

If xplane is perfect, than criticisms in a thread about “the future of xplane” shouldn’t really bother you should they?  Who’s the one who’s insecure here?

Since LR development is already way beyond the visual problems of v11, so no need to badger about them, you guys are still comaring a 5 years ago vs 2020 graphics. min pc needs for v11 has already been established at release, they cant change that in the middle, hence vulkan 11.50 goal was to keep everything as is, any performance gains are due to the move to vulkan but this does not mean it's done. 11.50 is there sandbox and we are done with that. and this was the hard part.

There is alot to expect graphics and performance wise, their foundation and graphixs options to implement with vulkan is much better than dx11. All we can do is wait for some v12 footage.

Edited January 31, 20215 yr by mtaxp

16 minutes ago, mtaxp said:

you guys are still comaring a 5 years ago vs 2020 graphics.

Doh. you still miss the point.

Im not comparing the graphics

Im comparing the visual accuracy.

That comparison is more a cad drawing vs a 5 year old scribbling a line drawing on a photo album.

Sure the photos looks nicer than the cad drawing now and the scribbles are cute - but its still ruined, whereas the future of xplane is turning that cad drawing into something with real substance.

Edited January 31, 20215 yr by mSparks