People will never be happy but it shows the old and the new and what they have added etc.

Personly I think what there doing with wind over land, sea, hills, and Mountains is amazing.

Its work in progress so..... and there happy to keep working on it, what more could we ask for?

 

Edited January 22, 20215 yr by Nyxx

I liked watching it too - creates some good expectations 🙂

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the flight model in MSFS.  Anyways, a poster named noballer08 over at the official MSFS forums dug into the SDK to determine exactly what the flight model was:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/modern-flight-model/232844/3

My guess is, noballer08 has some type of background in aerospace engineering (at least noballer08 seems to have a good grasp on the math/physics/engineering behind aerodynamics). Anyways, if you think noballer08 did a good analysis of the flight model, this is noballer08's initial impression is of the flight model:

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But, just at first glance, it looks like a really good flight model. Accomplishes the same geometrically-dependent aerodynamic loads that XPlane does with it’s BET/wing-strip method, albeit with more resolution. Definitely the SDK needs much better organization, and the flight model as a whole probably needs additional corrections (such as for compressibility).

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/modern-flight-model/232844/11

 

Edited January 22, 20215 yr by abrams_tank

39 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

My guess is, noballer08 has some type of background in aerospace engineering (at least noballer08 seems to have a good grasp on the math/physics/engineering behind aerodynamics). Anyways, if you think noballer08 did a good analysis of the flight model, this is noballer08's initial impression is of the flight model:

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But, just at first glance, it looks like a really good flight model. Accomplishes the same geometrically-dependent aerodynamic loads that XPlane does with it’s BET/wing-strip method, albeit with more resolution. Definitely the SDK needs much better organization, and the flight model as a whole probably needs additional corrections (such as for compressibility).

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/modern-flight-model/232844/11

I agree with that.

The general technology is even more advanced than XPs great model. But some things are just not right at the moment. But certainly nothing that can't be fixed.

For example the forces on the surfaces are taken into account without any kind of inertia. It does feel too nervous, not very realistic.

Edited January 22, 20215 yr by tweekz

This is so exciting. Since Turboprops are to be done later and it is forecast for Update 4 maybe we will see this in Update 3 in another month or so. 

Looks like there is a drag vector behind the propeller. Prop drag, maybe...🤞

I think flight models require a bit of art.

You can have all the numbers match up but a bit more must be done to get the feel right.

I’ve heard that even Level D full motion airline simulators don’t feel like the real thing.

So it looks promising, but after all it really is just a game, as FSX, P3D, and X-Plane are...

To me, it shows they are trying, and they are trying to improve. Never in the past or with any other sim have we seen so much dev involvement with the community. This is a good thing! Is it perfect, nope... is everything in that video in the sim... nope. But I think they are trying. 

Every day I am sure that the MSFS2020 is the future. There is no use paddling against the tide. The trend is clear that the MSFS2020 will outperform other simulators in all aspects.

4 hours ago, Cmcollazo71 said:

I’ve heard that even Level D full motion airline simulators don’t feel like the real thing.

I've been told exactly this by countless real world airline pilots, and this is also the first question I ask whenever I meet them online or real life. The conversation always ends up in them telling me to "pi$$ off and go fly a real plane if you want the ultimate realism". 🤣

8 minutes ago, EvidencePlz said:

I've been told exactly this by countless real world airline pilots, and this is also the first question I ask whenever I meet them online or real life. The conversation always ends up in them telling me to "pi$$ off and go fly a real plane if you want the ultimate realism". 🤣

Haha!

Maybe it would be better if us flight simmers didn't tell real world pilots that we are type rated with 5,000 hours on the PMDG 747... 😀

54 minutes ago, EvidencePlz said:

The conversation always ends up in them telling me to "pi$$ off and go fly a real plane if you want the ultimate realism". 🤣

If only it were that easy few of us would be here playing pretend!!!😁

I guess it’s all how one looks at it. I got my PPL. They’re right too, if you want ultimate realism, fly a real plane. Nothing can replace the feeling you get in the seat of your pants. Nothing will replace the feeling in your wallet either! However, if you like learning about navigation, flight planning and putting what you’ve learned to practice, then simulation isn’t a bad deal even if you are currently learning to fly the real deal. Study level aircraft are a plus, learning how to preflight, care for an aircraft and understanding aircraft systems etc.

Just note that buying a top of the line computer, a decent flight simulation platform and a hand full of study level aircraft won’t even touch what it will cost you to obtain your Private Pilots License. From there on it just keeps adding up the dollars. If you can afford it, go for it, if you can’t, enjoy your love or interest in aviation however you can afford.

Just my two cents!

 

 

 

I'll tell you what: I used to fly. I operate trains now and the absolute best part of either career is talking to kids or fans and seeing there excitement. 

Making a kids day by showing them the cockpit or blowing the train horn is one thing I wish simmers could experience.

There are things will never be reproduced at the PC level maybe not even in a level D.   A simple example is you can "feel" an unco-ordinated turn in a real aircraft, it sort of tries to push you sideways.

However the goal of perfecting those bits of the flight experience that we can reproduce is still a laudable one.

Hopefully this at least puts to bed the conspiracy theories about MSFS lying about not really implementing a new flight model.