1 hour ago, Chock said:

The flight modeling of the Carenado Arrow is fairly nice

No Choke! FM is horrific . There is nothing that resembles  Arrow or PA28 line. And it doesn't matter if you casual or serous simmer . Just because you and me invested our money in doesn't make it "fairy nice". There are one plane that Carenado made "fairy nice" and it't Mooney. Since then things are mostly  going downhill.

I know some people are trying to be positive. but you gotta call it for what it is. You and I bough static AI Arrow, face the reality! 🙂

 

14 minutes ago, Chock said:

It's going on the JF web store first, then to the MSFS market after that. So potentially, yes, it could be a week or two after it is available on the JF website that it goes to the MSFS store.

Just wondering how many weeks it is likely to be.

14 minutes ago, Britfrog said:

from my experience of flying the real a/c most of their AP 's never work anyway , have you a problem with hand flying an a/c?

 

In a sim, many players like to pop out in external view and sight see.  Other than taking off, landing, and performing other maneuvers, I spend most of my time in external view enjoying the sights better than I can from the cockpit. 

2 hours ago, Chock said:

I suppose the other side of the coin to Carenado getting the first blow in by beating Just Flight to the draw in releasing, is that Just Flight get to look at what the Carenado Arrow offers, not that this will be much of a surprise, and then pile on the improvements in their offering to ensure that no such criticism can be leveled at their Arrow.

Quite so, strict Rules Of War. If you're going to try and preempt your enemy with a first blow - then make sure it's a Palpable Hit and there's nothing left for them to fight you with.

Or your enemy's going to trounce you. Which is what JF will do with this as the Carenado is, as usual, a pile of unadulterated bovine emission from the rear end (look at me dodge the Word-Not-Allowed) - and that's reading pilots posts here and elsewhere. 

I shall not be purchasing.

I also reiterate my earlier post about it being plain wrong that we can't get the digital spanners out on aircraft we have paid for and own the EULA to.

Up-Vote it here, and maybe that will change;

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/unlock-cfg-files-from-fsarchive-files-for-premium-and-deluxe-aircraft/297881/1

 

 

 

 

This isn't a war or even really that much of a zero sum game - there's more than enough room in the market for multiple versions of the Arrow aimed at different market segments,

11 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

This isn't a war or even really that much of a zero sum game - there's more than enough room in the market for multiple versions of the Arrow aimed at different market segments,

I think you'll find it is for the Devs.

I was tempted. Tempted to not wait for the JF version. Then I consulted the oracle known as YouTube.

I found a very good video here and this was enough to calm my twitchy credit card holding fingers.

Just one detail, for example, is the interior model. The JF version looks like a Arrow III. Down to the molded plastic instrument panel covering. The C version looks like all the other C aircraft: flat grey-brown metal surface with generic switches and instruments. I can wait.

 

1 hour ago, Britfrog said:

from my experience of flying the real a/c most of their AP 's never work anyway , have you a problem with hand flying an a/c?

 

Nope, do it all the time. I do like a functioning AP however. 

1 hour ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

I think you'll find it is for the Devs.

I suspect it isn't because buying A) doesn't prevent someone buying B) in the future, especially with the long tail we see with sales of software like sim modules.

9 hours ago, Chock said:

Nobody has to agree with me lol, if you think it sucks, then fair enough, in fact, why not make a video about it for your youtube channel, as I'd certainly welcome your opinion on matters and I know you have some stuff in the pipeline which I'm looking forward to watching. 🙂

Nevertheless, I still I maintain that this thing is not terrible. If I'd found it to be stalling and spinning all over the place or crashing all the time or conking out, or the graphics glitching, or the sound being iffy, then I'd agree with you, but it's not doing that; it's perfectly possible to do circuits and bumps in the thing, or navigate to where you want to go. Now I will agree that it can barely stay in the air and is virtually impossible to trim if you put it on the legacy flight model in MSFS, but on the modern one, it flies around just fine and is easy to land.

Hey Chock, you are lowering standards so low that all the plane has to do is be controllable with the controller and your happy (yanking your chain here a bit).🙃

This reminds me of a commercial we have locally where the guy thought support was good because they actually answered the phone and didn't hang up on him as he was speaking. We can't accept this as a community... 

Real pilot or not if you let developers get away with this it'll happen more and more.  For the record I actually like the Mooney and fly it allot, same for the Waco and 182.  This is just plain word not allowed with no way to put lipstick on this pig.  It looks good and that's why it's selling but that will only make Carenado get worse.  This effort shouldn't be supported unless he fixes it...

Edited March 5, 20215 yr by Dillon

23 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

I suspect it isn't because buying A) doesn't prevent someone buying B) in the future, especially with the long tail we see with sales of software like sim modules.

Yeah, and people are playing pretty fast and loose with their cash. Buying up airframes that fly on rails and spooning that they're wonderful, which is nonsense.

Wish I could do the same but coming from the the Theatre/ Film/ TV Industry I haven't got that luxury. My diary emptied last April.

I've had no work for over a year. 

Anything I buy has got to be be a leat 90% good. Carenado is averaging around about the 25-35% mark. It's a no go for me. Just dreadful. Nice Graphics - Shame about the appalling Flight Dynamics/ Functionality/ etc,

They can get lost, at this point. So can that Spitfire by FlyingIrons. 

We deserve so much more.

It's high-time MS set a Bench Mark. How would they do that? - I haven't a clue.

But they should because we shouldn't be dealing with this Horse Apple stuff.

Edited March 5, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

31 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Hey Chock, you are lowering standards so low that all the plane has to do is be controllable with the controller and your happy (yanking your chain here a bit).🙃

This reminds me of a commercial we have locally where the guy thought support was good because they actually answered the phone and didn't hang up on him as he was speaking. We can't accept this as a community... 

Real pilot or not if you let developers get away with this it'll happen more and more.  For the record I actually like the Mooney and fly it allot, same for the Waco and 182.  This is just plain word not allowed with no way to put lipstick on this pig.  It looks good and that's why it's selling but that will only make Carenado get worse.  This effort shouldn't be supported unless he fixes it...

Nah, I'm merely saying that if it was somehow spectacular, then how would anything A2A make at their prices be justified? And more pertinently, how would Just Flight's thirty-to-forty percent more expensive Arrow be justified? We know they are justified in that pricing difference, so why is it some people, for some bizarre reason, then think Carenado should be knocking out stuff that matches those standards for 20 quid?

There is a level of expectation and a standard which goes with a price tag, and it shouldn't therefore be a surprise that a 20 quid GA aeroplane from a developer which is known to not exactly be the pinnacle of systems accuracy, is not going to be as sophisticated as one twice or three times the price. I'm not going to go into a Bentley dealership and demand they sell me a new Bentley Continental Saloon for 7,000 quid because up the road I can buy a Kia for that much. 🤣

This is not a difficult concept to grasp. It's not me lowering my standards, it's other people unrealistically expecting this to meet better standards at the price it comes in at. In saying that it is okay for what it is, I'm simply acknowledging this reality. 

This is not the first Carenado aeroplane. We know what they are like. What is it they say about the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result at some point? We've all bought enough Carenado planes to know what to expect, and this one is even cheaper than their other MSFS offerings too. So why would we for some reason expect this one to magically be vastly different?

All I'm doing is reviewing it at the standard one should expect for it, same as I did with that 20 quid 737 Max. They're alright for the money, but they're not going to blow your skirt up if you want super realism. This is why I paid 140 quid for the FSL A320 (twice lol) but would not then say 'it's overpriced because you can get a 737 Max for 20 quid', which is essentially the same argument people are making when they slate this Carenado offering.

Edited March 5, 20215 yr by Chock

15 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Hey Chock, you are lowering standards so low that all the plane has to do is be controllable with the controller and your happy (yanking your chain here a bit).🙃

This reminds me of a commercial we have locally where the guy thought support was good because they actually answered the phone and didn't hang up on him as he was speaking. We can't accept this as a community... 

Real pilot or not if you let developers get away with this it'll happen more and more.  For the record I actually like the Mooney and fly it allot, same for the Waco and 182.  This is just plain word not allowed with no way to put lipstick on this pig.  It looks good and that's why it's selling but that will only make Carenado get worse.  This effort shouldn't be supported unless he fixes it...

Yeah, don't knock Chock, at least he's saying it as it is.

Whereas you Dillon seem to, with alarming regularity, have you mind blown, your World turned upside down and the whole thing "Blowing your mind" - when you post stuff.

Just fly Son. Just fly. Fly the aeroplane and do it from the inside - at the controls, Stop looking at the Sim from the outside.

Know what I mean?

Edited March 5, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

On their facebook page, new buyers are raving about the Arrow. 

I won't be buying it because it's a C of A Aircraft.

I'm an LAA Permit To Fly man these days. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk

Looks good though. What might have been if I had the money. But I don't.

x

Edited March 5, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese