Cheese, what's your gripe with Flying Iron's Spitfire??? I think it's quite excellent. 

19 hours ago, Chock said:

I doubt it, but you never know; after all, if they'd have told us a year ago that Carenado would be the prolific sales vendor for MSFS stuff, I'm pretty sure most of us would have laughed, but here we all are with four or five Carenado aeroplanes in our virtual hangars. 😮

Why are you surprised?  Carenado is tailor-made for MSFS as it exists right now.  It's literally the perfect sim for Carenado, and they are wisely taking advantage of this.  Maybe you meant that you expected the MSFS flight modelling to be better from the get-go, hence other vendors could/would have possibly stepped into the MSFS waters sooner.  If that's what you meant, then yes I agree, I had that expectation too.

I think some of Carenado's offerings really benefit from things like the modded GNS530 and that stands to only get better with time.   I hope the upcoming aerodynamic update helps matters on the flight modelling front, too.   To borrow your phrase...that could turn these "cheerful and bright" add-ons into perhaps something a bit more.

8 minutes ago, Mace said:

 Carenado is tailor-made for MSFS as it exists right now.  .... I think some of Carenado's offerings really benefit from things like the modded GNS530 and that stands to only get better with time. 

I beg to differ. I bought quite a few Carenado airplanes for FSX/P3D because they were vastly better than default airplanes and beautiful. Systems not very deep, but all knobs could be turned so that one could at least pretend to follow an amplified checklist.

I think this has changed in MSFS. Default airplanes are certainly not study level, but they offer a lot and are visually appealing as well. The market is very small right now and Carenado takes advantage of this by quickly pushing out new airplanes. I bought the C182, mostly because there is hardly anything else right now (I miss the A2A model), but it doesn't feel that much different from a default airplane in MSFS. In the long run, I think Carenado will have to up their game in some way, or they will push out default-like airplanes at a quick rate and a low price. It might work for them, or people will just stop buying their planes. Time will tell.

Peter

1 minute ago, qqwertzde said:

I beg to differ. I bought quite a few Carenado airplanes for FSX/P3D because they were vastly better than default airplanes and beautiful. Systems not very deep, but all knobs could be turned so that one could at least pretend to follow an amplified checklist.

I think this has changed in MSFS. Default airplanes are certainly not study level, but they offer a lot and are visually appealing as well. The market is very small right now and Carenado takes advantage of this by quickly pushing out new airplanes. I bought the C182, mostly because there is hardly anything else right now (I miss the A2A model), but it doesn't feel that much different from a default airplane in MSFS. In the long run, I think Carenado will have to up their game in some way, or they will push out default-like airplanes at a quick rate and a low price. It might work for them, or people will just stop buying their planes. Time will tell.

Peter

I bought that 182 of theirs a couple of weeks ago. Total waste of money. 

1 hour ago, qqwertzde said:

I beg to differ. I bought quite a few Carenado airplanes for FSX/P3D because they were vastly better than default airplanes and beautiful. Systems not very deep, but all knobs could be turned so that one could at least pretend to follow an amplified checklist.

I think this has changed in MSFS. Default airplanes are certainly not study level, but they offer a lot and are visually appealing as well. The market is very small right now and Carenado takes advantage of this by quickly pushing out new airplanes. I bought the C182, mostly because there is hardly anything else right now (I miss the A2A model), but it doesn't feel that much different from a default airplane in MSFS. In the long run, I think Carenado will have to up their game in some way, or they will push out default-like airplanes at a quick rate and a low price. It might work for them, or people will just stop buying their planes. Time will tell.

Peter

I don't think you differ at all.   I think you are in essence saying what I said. I was paying Carenado a compliment, and I do think that when you add something like a GNS530 mod it really does complement their aircraft well.   Their Phenom 300 is one of my favorite aircraft in P3D, but it wouldn't be my favorite without the GTN750 mod.

I made a quick and dirty video of my first flight in it yesterday...

 

 

 

tldr: save your duckets

Here is another review, seems nice for 20 bucks to me.

 

 

First GA aircraft I have ever seen where the yokes don't move when you make a turn. 

17 hours ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

Cheese, what's your gripe with Flying Iron's Spitfire??? I think it's quite excellent. 

I don't have a gripe as such. I guess we were spoiled with the A2A Simulations Wings Of Power Spitfire MK I/II with Accu-sim back in P3D. Absolutley gorgeous aircraft with incredible physics. Probably one of the best ever for P3D. Big boots to fill.

Tell you what - I'll buy the FlyingIron and make up me own mind.

49 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

I don't have a gripe as such. I guess we were spoiled with the A2A Simulations Wings Of Power Spitfire MK I/II with Accu-sim back in P3D. Absolutley gorgeous aircraft with incredible physics. Probably one of the best ever for P3D. Big boots to fill.

Tell you what - I'll buy the FlyingIron and make up me own mind.

Yeah, A2A is hard to beat, though I don’t own that particular one. But this one is still fun.

I don't believe that this video has been posted here yet, so...

 

Well one of the comments on the first video that was linked up thread is from a pilot who says he got his complex rating in the Arrow and that this Carenado version is not bad at all and goes on to say that it's Microsoft's dynamics that need to be adjusted.

Ok, I've watched some videos on both the Carenado and JF versions. Sounds are also very important and I love the sounds on the Carenado when it comes to opening and closing the doors but those sounds are totally absent on the JF version.

Strange that we have both versions.

115.20.

That'll keep you out of trouble.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Tailwinds said:

Ok, I've watched some videos on both the Carenado and JF versions. Sounds are also very important and I love the sounds on the Carenado when it comes to opening and closing the doors but those sounds are totally absent on the JF version.

Think you're watching older videos there as the sounds for those actions are definitely there, trust us.  And just a heads up that testing has been taking place over the weekend on the final and full sound-set, new stuff just added include:

Heavily optimized engine sounds
Sound through window/door
Fixed missing ground roll
Wheel skidding sounds
Typical piper gear whistle