20 minutes ago, Jaxsimmer said:

I am thinking they are busting their tails trying to get the Xbox release ready so they can start generating some real money to fund the long term development of this project. No way you could fund a project this massive with a couple hundred developers and management from the relatively few, scrappy hard core PC simmers out there. Unless this is going to be a pet project of upper management as a technology showcase and flagship and they don't care if it loses or makes money in the long run. But I suspect that isn't the case.

And here I thought the money I spent on this software was real money. Who knew?

11 minutes ago, mwilk said:

And here I thought the money I spent on this software was real money. Who knew?

 

Unless you spent a few hundred million on your game no it is not "real money" in this context.

Assuming the "million users" figure people toss around is roughly in the ball park,  the game has probably netted about 100 million dollars to date - which means it is highly unlikely to be making a profit just yet, they probably spent close to that just on the marketing.

Edited March 10, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

29 minutes ago, Manny said:

And how long you have been here? same goes for the OP.

Manny, I think originally 2001, not sure, a long long long long time it seems.

54 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

Unless you spent a few hundred million on your game no it is not "real money" in this context.

Assuming the "million users" figure people toss around is roughly in the ball park,  the game has probably netted about 100 million dollars to date - which means it is highly unlikely to be making a profit just yet, they probably spent close to that just on the marketing.

Glenn, I think you are right, although who knows what the numbers really are. I do know that paying French wages to 200 people for the four years this thing has been in development is a huge sum, maybe as much as eighty million bucks according to my back of the envelope calculations. That is without marketing. Somebody presented a proforma of what this was going to cost, how many sales there were going to be over some period of time at some price point. And this was greenlighted by management based on that. My gut is Asobo came up with a cost they thought they could do this for, rather than a cost plus arrangement. I sure hope they were correct in their calculations...or they have someone from the defense contractors negotiating for them! Of course, there might also be stuff going on in the background to use this product to replace the base product in P3D too, so that might be a future revenue stream for MS.

Edited March 10, 20215 yr by Jaxsimmer

It's more like Groundhog Day, because each time an update gets released, the same people say the same things over and over again. We get it. The sim is "broken", this, that and the third doesn't work. Why isn't this sim study level after 6 months? And so on and so on. 

My question also remains the same: if MSFS 2020 pains you so much and causes you so much grief, then why not move on to something else? 

For me, MSFS is (and will probably remain for a long time) on the level of OMSI, Euro-Truck simulator, Flixbus, etc. A fun, immersive diversion if you have a couple of hours to kill, and, hopefully, it'll inspire some kids to become interested in aviation. 

21 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

My question also remains the same: if MSFS 2020 pains you so much and causes you so much grief, then why not move on to something else?

That’s the interesting thing though, they stay. If the (undoubtedly) frustrating experience of updates bringing bugs and things not being fixed yet were even half as unbearable as many say, they would have given up long ago.

We should all have enough evidence to know what platforms do what and what the future is likely to bring. The vast majority of MSFS users seem to want to stick around, warts and all.

I see in racing Sims with RFactor2, people love to hate it!

It essentially boils down to the fact that the Sim in question, has so much promise and possibilities, that when things go wrong people get very upset about it and in some cases understandably so. It is frustrating to see something that could be so good that can also be so bad in certain areas, especially when it comes to blatant bugs not fixed since pre-release, so those emotions of "just make it better" spill over whilst at the same time the promise of what this Sim could be is incredible!

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

For me, MSFS is (and will probably remain for a long time) on the level of OMSI, Euro-Truck simulator, Flixbus, etc. A fun, immersive diversion if you have a couple of hours to kill, and, hopefully, it'll inspire some kids to become interested in aviation. 

Perfect description.

12 hours ago, Jaxsimmer said:

a couple of of my favorite movies of all time...starring Walter Matthou and Tony Randall.

Grumpy Old Men, and...

Grumpier Old Men.

Too bad there is no Anne-Margret to be found here.

If you allow me, It wasn't Walter Matthau and Tony Randall, but Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon 😃😃

For the first timer who's on his first final, how about Vertigo?

 

6 hours ago, bernd1151 said:

If you allow me, It wasn't Walter Matthau and Tony Randall, but Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon 😃😃

OOPS! Really showing I am a grumpy old man with a lousy memory!

Thanks for the correction!

Bennett

18 hours ago, Jaxsimmer said:

I love to come on AVSIM to read about MSFS, because it reminds me of a couple of of my favorite movies of all time...starring Walter Matthou and Tony Randall.

Grumpy Old Men, and...

Grumpier Old Men.

Too bad there is no Anne-Margret to be found here. 😆

Bennett

hahaha totally agree. Grumpy old men who bash millennials, and have the patience of a child sometimes lol. And yes, I have been around here for about 10 years myself! Sometimes it is shocking what I read in here, and the people who get worked up make me wonder if they are just bored. Thanks for the chuckle OP. 

Edited March 10, 20215 yr by jpe828

9 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

My question also remains the same: if MSFS 2020 pains you so much and causes you so much grief, then why not move on to something else?

Some people have lives boring or miserable enough that they only joy they get is from complaining and making other people miserable too.  I'm not saying that applies to all the "grumps" here, because that would be unfair.  But I'm sure it applies to some.

Others, I am sure, are legitimately frustrated with the hitches they see in what is a very promising system, or do have specific individual issues that break things for them uniquely or for only a small set of people.  People can have lots of different reasons for complaining.

What I do see a lot of here though, more than anything else, is people with an inflated sense of their importance as "serious simmers" to what Microsoft and Asobo are doing.  Microsoft has a different focus, and while I'm sure they aren't actively trying to alienate the "hardcore" audience, and want to have things for them too, their primary focus is elsewhere at the moment.   It's the casual market, and the XBox in particular, that is going to make this project viable in the long run.   That means your problems,at the moment, may not their top concern.

But only by addressing those other concerns will they be able to get to addressing yours.  Some perspective is required.

To paraphrase Fritz Leiber, a specter is haunting the Asobo Team: 

When will the break-out day ever come when all the parts of  MSFS2020  come together, and every aspect of the sim meets our expectations?

BTW, Fritz Leiber was a sci-fi writer in the 50's and 60's.