32 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

First of all,, give us your definition of "Near Future" so we can all write it down on our calendars..

If you don't call 4-5 FPS a slide show, what do you call it? 

Would like an answer to both my questions...

Strawman questions, sorry. All were answered before to some extend. But as a friendly, teacher-like man, I repeat the obvious things for you:

1. "In the near future" means that Asobo has acknowledged the bug (as we all know now, I hope) and is working on it. This month at the latest, I would hope. Very near future.

2. So you have only 4-5 fps in this game? No, you don't. You have that only at a handfull of locations. Nobody ever denied that there are two sorts of fps drop areas. The areas where the fps drop by maybe 40%. Annoying, but I can live with it for a few weeks. And second the very(!) few areas where the fps drop to the floor, like this Bishop airport (I always forget the ICAO code). Those areas are very few. I only saw two, so far and I only saw them because I actively went there. You really can say that at those points the game is a slideshow, because it is. But the silly generalization that "the game is a lideshow" just doesn't stand the reality check and is still a childish hyperbole. You probably spawn at that exact location seven times a day and complain how bad life is to you. All this is like you get wet from rain in Chicago and complain that "the world is a rain show".

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by crimplene

15 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

One thing I notice with this sim, is that things are not consistent from person to person.  I've seen many people having issues that I've yet to experience, but this one has finally hit me.  However I don't seem to be getting it as badly as others.  I've barely noticed performance from past patches (I fly with the FPS counter off for this reason), but this latest one is very noticeable.  There's no denying something is very different now since last patch on my system. 

I think it is important to realize that we're not all even seeing the same things, so there's obviously not going to be agreement on "how bad something is".  So, just because you aren't experiencing something, doesn't mean it isn't hitting someone else very hard. 

I've been quite positive on this sim overall, but yet I would never, ever tell someone that the issue they are seeing isn't valid.  We've already seen issues that happen in certain circumstances, like the AI traffic shutting down avionics.  I never fly with AI on, therefore I never saw the issue. Doesn't mean that it isn't a serious issue that needed to be addressed. 

Maybe something to think about before you post something in a bug thread that you aren't having.  This sim got me sort of out of flight sim retirement.  I had given up on FSX ever being smooth.  I dabbled in X-Plane for fun (enjoyed that quite a bit), but this sim is just on another level, especially for general aviation flyers like myself.  That doesn't mean there aren't serious issues that need to be addressed, and patches that go backwards are frustrating. 

As a long time member from way back who sort of returned recently, I'm a little shocked at some of the attitudes here now.  I've made several comments to moderators but it seems to be the new "normal" here. 

One of the important parts of having beta testers ( which Asobo doesn't have) , is that you should have testers that have different systems. AMD versus Intel, Nivdia Vs AMD, small ram versus large ram, etc..etc... This eliminates problems with different basic systems. If everyone testing a product  had one type of processor and GPU, you might think your product is OK, until you sell it to someone that has a totally different system. That is what beta testing is all about as I see it. I have beta tested about 5 programs over the years, and they always asked me what I was using as a PC.  

15 minutes ago, crimplene said:

Strawman questions, sorry. All were answered before to some extend. But as a friendly, teacher-like man, I repeat the obvious things for you:

1. "In the near future" means that Asobo has acknowledged the bug (as we all know now, I hope) and is working on it. This month at the latest, I would hope. Very near future.

2. So you have only 4-5 fps in this game? No, you don't. You have that only at a handfull of locations. Nobody ever denied that there are two sorts of fps drop areas. The areas where the fps drop by maybe 40%. Annoying, but I can live with it for a few weeks. And second the very(!) few areas where the fps drop to the floor, like this Bishop airport (I always forget the ICAO code). Those areas are very few. I only saw two, so far and I only saw them because I actively went there. You really can say that at those points the game is a slideshow, because it is. But the silly generalization that "the game is a lideshow" just doesn't stand the reality check and is still a childish hyperbole. You probably spawn at that exact location seven times a day and complain how bad life is to you. All this is like you get wet from rain in Chicago and complain that "the world is a rain show".

Your answer number one, you didn't answer the question, you just blew some smoke, because you have no concrete  idea if it will be a month, a week, or 6 months. Wishful thinking. 

 

As far as the FPS issue, there are people running into this all the time. Hundreds of posts, in different areas of the world. You set off on a flight, and all of a sudden you go from 30 or 60 locked, to 12-15. We simmers ( and I have been doing this for around 30 years) call that a "slide show". No guarantee when you hit a bad area if it is going to cut your FPS in half or down a third if your normal rate. . This was created by the last, non beta tested, update. If they had a good beta testing team looking at this update, the testers would have spotted this, and it would not have been released until it was fixed. Some users are so affected by this, that they have moved back to P3D or FSX. The reason specific areas. one of which I mentioned when I discovered this issue, was an airport in Texas, that went to 5FPS was so that the people at Asobo could clearly see the problem. You go to that area, and you can't pretend there is no problem. I filed a Zendesk complaint weeks ago telling them exactly how to recreate the problem. 

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by Bobsk8

I just traveled to Salt Lake City on vacation and was looking forward to flying there on MSFS. As soon as I fly east over the mountains it turns into a 15 FPS slideshow and doesnt recover. It was the first place I tried flying to since the update, so it's not just happening in a few "handful of locations", that's complete B S. This is completely unacceptable and I'm done wasting time with MSFS and purchasing add ons until it's fixed.

Reinstalling P3D and will fly the CRJ on that again

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by NightOfDreams

25 minutes ago, crimplene said:

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2. So you have only 4-5 fps in this game? No, you don't. You have that only at a handfull of locations ...

Seriously? You may have perhaps 5 (a handful) locations where you observed it, others may have other 5 locations, ...

1 minute ago, Nemo said:

Seriously? You may have perhaps 5 (a handful) locations where you observed it, others may have other 5 locations, ...

Exactly. And who wants to waste their time flying to different locations hoping it doesnt turn to s, or be limited to flying at location X or area Y just because Asobo cant be bothered testing their piece of junk "upgrades"?

24 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The reason specific areas. one of which I mentioned when I discovered this issue, was an airport in Texas, that went to 5FPS was so that the people at Asobo could clearly see the problem. You go to that area, and you can't pretend there is no problem. I filed a Zendesk complaint weeks ago telling them exactly how to recreate the problem. 

Actually it is sort of wishful thinking when you see that Asobo acknowledged the bug but still believe it is going to last for a long time. Let's wait and see.

Second point is smoke screening on your side. Nobody pretended that there is no problem - nobody. As I said, I know exactly how to replicate the bug. Don't build strawmen again. It was you who talked about the 4 fps areas. How many of those did you encounter? Please answer the question. 🙂 And when you answered it, we can talk about the question if a world, where 0.001% of the territory give severe, crippling stutters, is 99.99% fine or totally broken.

@NightOfDreams I get your point. But after reading all those comments in several threads I heard of two (2!) areas where the fps are super low. Of course this can be annoying and I can understand that you feel somehow threatened (as a happy gamer, not physically) by the thought that you could encounter severe fps problems somewhere along your flight. But look, I fly all the day, in NZ, AUS, USA, GER, UK and so on. I NEVER encountered the 4 fps problem by accident. This is like you are not going out of the house anymore because a stone could fall from a roof and kill you. Yes, it could.

I don't think we can find common ground in this debate. We see the same reality but come to very different conclusions. Of course I think I am the reasonable one here. But I suppose some people don't see it that way. 🙂

21 minutes ago, Nemo said:

Seriously? You may have perhaps 5 (a handful) locations where you observed it, others may have other 5 locations, ...

As mentioned above: It is maybe 2 locations. Bishop or so somewhere in the desert. And else? Stop inflating things.

14 minutes ago, crimplene said:

@NightOfDreams I get your point. But after reading all those comments in several threads I heard of two (2!) areas where the fps are super low. Of course this can be annoying and I can understand that you feel somehow threatened (as a happy gamer, not physically) by the thought that you could encounter severe fps problems somewhere along your flight. But look, I fly all the day, in NZ, AUS, USA, GER, UK and so on. I NEVER encountered the 4 fps problem by accident. This is like you are not going out of the house anymore because a stone could fall from a roof and kill you. Yes, it could.

I don't think we can find common ground in this debate. We see the same reality but come to very different conclusions. Of course I think I am the reasonable one here. But I suppose some people don't see it that way. 🙂

So all 707 people who voted in the "Performance Degradation with 1.14.5.0 Upgrade" thread on MSFS forums have all flown in the same "2" areas that cause problems? Even those who have made brand new accounts on there specifically for this problem? And I won the lottery and just so happened to randomly select one of the "2" areas this is happening in my 15 minutes of gameplay since the update???? LOL

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by NightOfDreams

9 minutes ago, crimplene said:

As mentioned above: It is maybe 2 locations. Bishop or so somewhere in the desert. And else? Stop inflating things.

Again, you like to make up stuff when you don't have any facts to back up your claims. You have no idea, if more than one or two areas of the world are affected by this problem or a thousand. You are just making wild claims and guesses. 

13 minutes ago, crimplene said:

As mentioned above: It is maybe 2 locations. Bishop or so somewhere in the desert. And else? Stop inflating things.

Ok

This post may contain sarcasm

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by NightOfDreams

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Again, you like to make up stuff when you don't have any facts to back up your claims. You have no idea, if more than one or two areas of the world are affected by this problem or a thousand. You are just making wild claims and guesses. 

He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. I don't even know why I'm wasting time arguing on here, Im installing P3D until this B S is fixed

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by NightOfDreams

Just now, NightOfDreams said:

He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. I don't even know why I'm wasting time on here, Im installing P3D until this B S is fixed

I agree, he just makes up stuff and thinks if he keeps posting it, people will believe it. 

27 minutes ago, crimplene said:

As mentioned above: It is maybe 2 locations. Bishop or so somewhere in the desert. And else? Stop inflating things.

Word not allowed!

I tried T76 Bishop now , it is severely bugged. The dev mode reports 17 fps but in reality it's 0-1 fps and the sim is unusable (can't even get back to main menu).

Are there other places like T76 Bishop? 

This may be an old issue (Aug 2020), which has been either fixed and reappeared now, or ignored from the beginning:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/sim-fps-plummets-occasionally-due-to-manipulators-and-coherentgtdraw-threads/182150