5 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Has anyone noticed a kind of vibration in the Arrow after the last update. When I look out the pilots side window at the scenery, it seems like it has a slight "shake" to it. External view, everything looks normal. 

Same here, though so far in my case it has only been happening when I activate Alt Hold. Quite annoying.

I've seen the rudder 'twitch' on takeoff roll, haven't flown through enough weather to see if it's 'twitchy' as far as  bouncing around.

It feels so nice in the roundout/flare that I'm willing to forgive the takeoff roll 'twitch'.  I've probably made my best landings in this aircraft. 

There are lots of things in the MSFS flight model that make it very challenging to tune aircraft right now.  You tune one parameter and it breaks something else.  There are new factors and parameters stacked on top of old FSX parameters.  This is one of the better aircraft I have flown. 

2 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

No I don't have any issues. Did you have left crosswind  by any chance? That could explain left yaw

Yes, there was a crosswind but the take off roll was controllable with right rudder, (really nice, actually), until about 60kts, then a swerve to the left is how I would describe it.

If I set a custom weather theme, it seems to be ok, so maybe it's a real weather issue, rather than the Arrow?

4 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

I've seen the rudder 'twitch' on takeoff roll, haven't flown through enough weather to see if it's 'twitchy' as far as  bouncing around.

It feels so nice in the roundout/flare that I'm willing to forgive the takeoff roll 'twitch'.  I've probably made my best landings in this aircraft. 

There are lots of things in the MSFS flight model that make it very challenging to tune aircraft right now.  You tune one parameter and it breaks something else.  There are new factors and parameters stacked on top of old FSX parameters.  This is one of the better aircraft I have flown. 

Yes, overall the aircraft is great. Completed a flight from Wolverhampton to Shoreham and the experience was good. It hand flies really well.

 

Just now, Bunchy said:

Yes, there was a crosswind but the take off roll was controllable with right rudder, (really nice, actually), until about 60kts, then a swerve to the left is how I would describe it.

If I set a custom weather theme, it seems to be ok, so maybe it's a real weather issue, rather than the Arrow?

It's normal for an airplane to "weathervane" as it get close airborne. The proper procedure is to keep aileron into the wind and directional control with  a rudder. As airplane pick up speed, aileron deflection little bit ease up but still hold.

As I mentioned before with all current limitation JF Arrow is very good and realistic. I personally endorse it. I flew Arrows IRL back to my private pilot days. I did my single engine commercial in Arrow. And eventually I flight instructed in Arrow when I got my CFI.  

 

12 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

It's normal for an airplane to "weathervane" as it get close airborne. The proper procedure is to keep aileron into the wind and directional control with  a rudder. As airplane pick up speed, aileron deflection little bit ease up but still hold.

As I mentioned before with all current limitation JF Arrow is very good and realistic. I personally endorse it. I flew Arrows IRL back to my private pilot days. I did my single engine commercial in Arrow. And eventually I flight instructed in Arrow when I got my CFI.  

 

Disregard posting error. 

Edited March 27, 20215 yr by Bobsk8

Also I want to point that all airplanes jitters IRL and no many pilot register it. And it pretty normal. Brain will omit unnecessary staff and focus on more important one. I made this video for my friend with stationary camera just to prove him that his V-tail Bonanza go left and right more than Piper. At the time he owned already for several years and sweared to me that his airplane doesn't jitter! LOL When sped up video he finally agreed! LOL

 

23 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

No I don't have any issues. Did you have left crosswind  by any chance? That could explain left yaw

I experience the same thing. Has brought it up to JF. With real weather the plane is very twitchy and nervous (for some users, not all it seems)

Nothing related to real life behavior, I can vouch my own license on that.

Edited March 27, 20215 yr by SAS443

I am pretty good at nailing the center line on takeoff both IRL and with sim aircraft like the A2A  T6.  Aircraft in Msfs 2020 are different than anything I have experienced on takeoff heading control . The slightest pressure on the rudder, no matter how I adjust the settings, results in spastic swerves right before lift off.  unless rudder assist is used. And the deal with rudder assist I discovered is the yoke aileron control is couple to the rudder, so if you have a crosswind from the left requiring  left aileron for correction, now you are also applying left rudder, in fact you can do the entire takeoff roll not even touching the rudder, just steer with the aileron, like the old  Aircoupe.  LOL. 

1 hour ago, SAS443 said:

I experience the same thing. Has brought it up to JF. With real weather the plane is very twitchy and nervous (for some users, not all it seems)

Nothing related to real life behavior, I can vouch my own license on that.

I can only see problem with MSFS FM in general and ground friction in particular. But this is true for all airplane not to JF. For example  IRL Arrow will not move on the ground (even ground) with power on idle, but in MSFS Arrow moves and even accelerate which is of course wrong.

 I'm able take off with crosswind in MSFS without much drama as is. Yes it quirky, and yes it should be looked at. But at the moment I happy with setup and sensitivity my controls perfectly good for my taste . I can adapt easily which is not necessarily true for others 

8 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I can only see problem with MSFS FM in general and ground friction in particular. But this is true for all airplane not to JF. For example  IRL Arrow will not move on the ground (even ground) with power on idle, but in MSFS Arrow moves and even accelerate which is of course wrong.

 I'm able take off with crosswind in MSFS without much drama as is. Yes it quirky, and yes it should be looked at. But at the moment I happy with setup and sensitivity my controls perfectly good for my taste . I can adapt easily which is not necessarily true for others 

As @Bunchy wrote

"With real weather, this aircraft is very twitchy.

The plane instantly pitches up and down and doesn't seem to 'bounce' naturally. The changes are instant"

This is what I see aswell. Nothing natural about that movement and has nothing to do with controls or sensitivity...I can let go of  my yoke and rudder and it is still happening. Something is not right.

5 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

As @Bunchy wrote

"With real weather, this aircraft is very twitchy.

The plane instantly pitches up and down and doesn't seem to 'bounce' naturally. The changes are instant"

This is what I see aswell. Nothing natural about that movement and has nothing to do with controls or sensitivity...I can let go of  my yoke and rudder and it is still happening. Something is not right.

By real weather you mean app ot live weather? I fly with live weather and don't experience anything like that

Flying right know, light turbulence in mountain but nothing crazy or abnormal

It seems like the aircraft is a bit faster with 0.3.0?  I found before the aircraft would typically settle in around 130KIAS at my usual range of cruise altitudes in this of 2000-4000ft.  My flight today it settled in around 140KIAS.  That's just a sample size one and I'll be interested to see if that experience continues, but it certainly seemed peppier a bit.

3 hours ago, Bunchy said:

Yes, there was a crosswind but the take off roll was controllable with right rudder, (really nice, actually), until about 60kts, then a swerve to the left is how I would describe it.

If I set a custom weather theme, it seems to be ok, so maybe it's a real weather issue, rather than the Arrow?

Same here. It seems there must be a curve that controls nosewheel grip, or rudder authority, and at a certain speed there is a dramatic instant change, where it should be a smooth and linear progression. I've seen this to varying severity in most all aircraft in MSFS.

But I'll say it again here, the most obnoxious behavior to me is the dramatic increase in lift when extending flaps...that's not how it works IRL. Flap extension should elicit a pitch-nose-down moment in this aircraft.