15 minutes ago, Turpentine said:

To be honest, I have no clue where it's located on the panel, I just use the button for it on my honeycomb bravo!

Same for me . I think ALT is a hidden feature

20 hours ago, Phantoms said:

I made a post about just this thing on the JF forums and people chime in with the constant "just use Spad" jabber. The Logitech/Saitek panels are some of the most common things added to flight simming after yoke/pedal/throttle/rudders. This doesn't bode well for future aircraft purchases if the only way to get the panels (Switch, Multi, Radio) to work is to use Spad and program every single fucntion for every single plane instead of just using the drivers made for them,. Also, if you use Spad then you are committed to it as you have to remove the logitech drivers (you can not run the drivers and spad at the same time).

You may want to keep this in mind if you're considering purchasing the JF Arrow and you use the Logitec/Saitek panels.

Thanks Phantoms. Shouldn't need SPAD, should just work. Even works better on my Carenado planes. I'll just keep hoping.

Edited March 28, 20215 yr by Daytona125
sp mistake

Just now, Tom Wright said:

There's a hidden clickspot above the rotary autopilot control switch that enables Altitude hold. I think this particular airframe they have modelled only has a single axis autopilot but they've added a hidden Alt Hold feature for ease.

Got it ! thanks a lot

I also want to tell you guys something. I have days when I flight instruct in several different airplanes. I have cheatsheet to quickly review speeds, limitation and etc. Things do tend to blend often. When I tired thing often get messy .

I can't tell abou every single airplane s pitches down or up when flaps deploy. I know cruiser does because I soloed in it. And it was my first vivid impression. I know 172 does because I own it . But it really doesn't matter! Why? Think you fly in turbulence you don't know which way airplane will be tossed. But you know you have to stay on top of  airplane and perform your task whether it to maintain particular heading or rate descent.

Similarly when I land I focus on several thing at once speed, rate of descent, runway, wind drift, descent angle and etc. I'm honestly don't register how my yoke move and whether  airplane pitch up or down I managed it automatically.Airplane is like apart of my body I do what automatically what necessary.

I have similar story that many my student's don't realize (especially commercial students) when they do steep turn say to the left they first turn yoke to the left to established the bank and than move yoke to the right to keep that bank. Basically they keep yoke opposite  direction to turn. I never paid attention to it until I become CFI and someone asked me about it! LOL

Likewise when we land we don't care about turbulence how much yoke deflection it take every second.We just ride wave and keep airplanes in check. 

Out of all Arrow I flown T-tail was probably the most different from others on landings.

 

Here is my old crappy video (sorry for quality) of Arrow practicing power off 180s and steep turns. If you spot which way airplane pitch when I deploy flaps I'll give you $100 LOL

https://youtu.be/-X9npT35MtU

54 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I'm honestly don't register how my yoke move and whether  airplane pitch up or down I managed it automatically.Airplane is like apart of my body I do what automatically what necessary.

What is missing in flight sims is the feel (Seat of the pant feeling.) of what the aircraft is doing.  With experience you just react to these feeling without stopping to think about it.  Or what you said.  😉

Bill

Be careful, after the update my flights have started with the auto pilot on. Makes for a pretty weird take off. 

Is it possible to disable the Gear system via the fuse panel? 

I wish to simulate gear failure, so I pulled the fuses referring gear (think there are 2), but the system, still works though without the gear lights or horn.  

This is regardless of the position of the emergency gear lever.

Am I expecting too much, or doing something wrong?

3 minutes ago, Romeo_Tango said:

Is it possible to disable the Gear system via the fuse panel? 

I wish to simulate gear failure, so I pulled the fuses referring gear (think there are 2), but the system, still works though without the gear lights or horn.  

This is regardless of the position of the emergency gear lever.

Am I expecting too much, or doing something wrong?

According to this thread below the LG circuit breakers on the early arrows were not manually trippable.  No idea if that is even slightly relevant to the one modelled.

https://www.euroga.org/forums/instructors/1946-piper-arrow-ii-operational-tips-landing-gear-system

45 minutes ago, Romeo_Tango said:

Is it possible to disable the Gear system via the fuse panel? 

I wish to simulate gear failure, so I pulled the fuses referring gear (think there are 2), but the system, still works though without the gear lights or horn.  

This is regardless of the position of the emergency gear lever.

Am I expecting too much, or doing something wrong?

When I got to my commercial certificate all Arrows in my area were striped of auto gear extender . So yes that exactly  how we did  it - pull circuit breaker and use emergency gear extension leveler. In some instance gear were half way stuck so we had to wiggle and yaw to get them to down to trip limit switches

So no you don't do anything wrong, It could be  that JF simply didn't model it

It’s amazing how I could read here several times that the plane loads with no fuel, yet still spend ten minutes on the ramp cursing the plane for not starting and wondering if the patch changed the priming procedure before I remember I have to add fuel lol 

16 minutes ago, regis9 said:

It’s amazing how I could read here several times that the plane loads with no fuel, yet still spend ten minutes on the ramp cursing the plane for not starting and wondering if the patch changed the priming procedure before I remember I have to add fuel lol 

I read that problem stated from somebody right after I updated the plane so I checked fuel level when first loading it and I didn't have that problem, strange. It's still always fueled when I load it..

54 minutes ago, regis9 said:

It’s amazing how I could read here several times that the plane loads with no fuel, yet still spend ten minutes on the ramp cursing the plane for not starting and wondering if the patch changed the priming procedure before I remember I have to add fuel lol 

Check list--- Check fuel. 

24 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Check list--- Check fuel. 

Lol yep!  I’m bad for not running through checklists in GA aircraft.  Airliners, every time.  GA?  Requires further focus from me.  I’ve just become conditioned to my GA aircraft having 50% fuel at startup.  Since fuel is now included in state saving though I’ll have to be more careful and actually do some fuel planning.  

Could have been worse, it could have started up with like 2% fuel, enough to put me in a worse situation to discover the lack of fuel 🙂

57 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Check list--- Check fuel. 

State saving is the best thing since sliced bread and I hope more aircraft incorporate this feature.  Makes running through the checklists worthwhile.  I’ve forgot to turn off avionics prior to startup so I’d like to see failures result from that.  Not sure if that’s implemented though.

On 3/27/2021 at 10:17 AM, bobcat999 said:

I have noticed this from day one.  It quivers about a little.

I put a ticket in with Just flight on the shaking or quivering. They responded sayng that this is something in MSFS 2020, and they have tried to minimize it, but couldn't get rid of all of it.