2 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Let`s hope your 8GB is enough for MSFS when it goes DX12 which will be very soon for XBOX.

 

I prefer to go back to P3D 4.x

It's not going to happen.

On 6/5/2021 at 2:09 AM, G-RFRY said:

A commercial flight sim i have seen for training pilots don`t have highly detailed scenery they don`t need it, it`s more about procedures. So unlikely LM will go down the same road as MSFS, but MSFS will be a big hit with Gamers on XBOX to fly the scenery after august-sept. 

it will be a big hit with simmers too when QW and PMDG get their products out 👍

13 hours ago, georgio1952 said:

The only real Flight Simulator  is PREPAR3D. The rest are just game toothpastes

this is just nonsense, at least one (and possibly both) of the other sims on the market has a far more advanced flight and environment model

it's possibly the worst of the platforms in terms of it's core simulation base - it just has some incredible addons available that turn it into great overall package - but it's advantage there is about to disappear

for me, the most intriguing speculation here is that LM could be using their contacts at MS to discuss a commercial fork of MSFS. I doubt that's true, but it would be a really interesting direction for the hobby to take - I've always been sceptical that MS could straddle both XBox and PC flightsim requirements in a single platform, so if we could have a more focused version where all the dumbed down UI and in-game menu were gone as there was no need to cater to gamepad users, that would be fantastic. but I think we could potentially get that anyway eventually from MSFS

19 hours ago, simbol said:

I personally asked to LM to delay any further releases until certain things are fully addressed with EA and the simulator.

If you want to blame someone for delays, then blame me.. Each beta drop I keep pointing out eye candy stuff they need to fix or implement.. In fact they contacted me to implement something in the SDK that I asked a while ago (related also to eye candy ) and I told them to do that later in order to prioritize certain improvements we requested to EA.

So there you have it... You can blame me (others beta testers which I will not name also supported my request) for all thee long wait if it makes you feel better.

I still would like to keep delaying it because in my view the next point release is crucial.. But Let's see how that goes.

Personally (others testers too) I am just asking LM for stuff you people keep asking here and many other social media sites and forms, Rome was not built in 7 days.. And XP / P3D has now a long way to catch up..

So my advice?  Enjoy all platforms, each has its benefits and none of them are stopping development.

Regarding the silence, I said it many times.. They have this policy as a company, I doubt they will change it.. So if this bothers you, you better move on to another platform.

Regards,

Simbol

Whilst I really do appreciate the insight @Simbol, your post insinuates to me that we're still looking at a bit of a delay for 5.2 and that there is still work to be done before EA is at a point where you (and therefore us) are really happy with it. EA (and some of the other more minor bugs that really should have been fixed in a HF) is clearly the area of the sim that needs the most work. Doesn't sound like its that close to where we want it.

In any event - thanks for the insight, much appreciated 🙂

 

24 minutes ago, EGLD said:

this is just nonsense, at least one (and possibly both) of the other sims on the market has a far more advanced flight and environment model

it's possibly the worst of the platforms in terms of it's core simulation base - it just has some incredible addons available that turn it into great overall package - but it's advantage there is about to disappear

for me, the most intriguing speculation here is that LM could be using their contacts at MS to discuss a commercial fork of MSFS. I doubt that's true, but it would be a really interesting direction for the hobby to take - I've always been sceptical that MS could straddle both XBox and PC flightsim requirements in a single platform, so if we could have a more focused version where all the dumbed down UI and in-game menu were gone as there was no need to cater to gamepad users, that would be fantastic. but I think we could potentially get that anyway eventually from MSFS

At this moment MSFS has still a very simple SDK which needs to be enhanced a lot for complex airliners and complex weather/AI addons.

Making aircraft systems running outside MSFS helps a lot ( like Prosim ). 

But at this very moment P3D is the only flightsim, we can use too, that has a very enhanced SDK and is used in professional simulators.

- - - - - 

Regarding EA : I share the opinion of Kael that it seems that EA is still not good enough after almost a year. And that is a point of concern. It might be that LM has taken a bite that is too large to chew with this....

Edited June 6, 20214 yr by GSalden

I hope some developers like simwings/aerosoft etc. will come back to P3D aswell. I see a lot of potential in P3D and users who would pay for addons.

4 hours ago, GSalden said:

After he explanation of Simbol I don’t mind waiting a little longer.

But the next update has to have at least a much improved EA and  fixed airport taxiway bridges .

After that further bug fixes that already have been named and the overhaul of the AG.

However, even with all that the succes of P3D on our market also depends on addon developers. If only there will be released very few new Addons than people will make the switch to MSFS eventually. No one wants to stay with outdated airports and other Addons being years old.

In the meantime I am flying MSFS without CTD’s like I can fly P3D without CTD’s. 

Hi Gerard,

I can´t say anything about what will be delivered and when. Just like @simbol can´t.

What I think to know about you and what´s important to you I don´t think you will be really disappointed.

LM is working hard for all of us. 

Marcus

    

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

it will be a big hit with simmers too when QW and PMDG get their products out 👍

This will be also depending on product depth / quality and not only on "when" QW and PMDG get their products out .  

Because maybe the devs (QW/PMDG and others) need to "cut some good functions or system depth off" because of lacking SDK or other reasons?

It´s a risk where I am aware of just in case.

That´s what others already did.

For me it´s still P3D at the moment. 

Marcus

 

17 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

This will be also depending on product depth / quality and not only on "when" QW and PMDG get their products out .  

Because maybe the devs (QW/PMDG and others) need to "cut some good functions or system depth off" because of lacking SDK or other reasons?

Someone with some "importance" in the community and knowledge has already hinted this...

 

This entire thread makes me glad that I decided to stay with P3Dv4.5 for the time being.

Dave

4 hours ago, mpo910 said:

This will be also depending on product depth / quality and not only on "when" QW and PMDG get their products out .  

Because maybe the devs (QW/PMDG and others) need to "cut some good functions or system depth off" because of lacking SDK or other reasons?

It´s a risk where I am aware of just in case.

That´s what others already did.

For me it´s still P3D at the moment. 

Marcus

 

do you honestly think there is a chance PMDG will compromise on product depth/quality in MSFS?

that's quite a bold statement

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27 minutes ago, EGLD said:

do you honestly think there is a chance PMDG will compromise on product depth/quality in MSFS?

that's quite a bold statement

I dont think anyone apart from PMDG and maybe Asobo knows...we just have to wait and find out, but it is a possibility.  On the other hand the DC6 doesn't appear to have been compromised (albeit a diff type of aircraft and systems..).  So the upshot is...wait and find out!

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

This entire thread makes me glad that I decided to stay with P3Dv4.5 for the time being.

Dave

This doesn’t make P3D5 any less than V4.5… It’s a perfectly functioning sim with or without EA. Obviously without EA it’s even better considering the performance increases that came with DX12 adoption etc…

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

do you honestly think there is a chance PMDG will compromise on product depth/quality in MSFS?

that's quite a bold statement

I wrote it with caution and made even a question out of it....so how on earth this is a bold statement?

And indeed I hope so they do not but who knows this?

I just watched what others did. 

But this thread is about p3d so let's stay to p3d....and I am quite happy with it. 

Marcus

3 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

how on earth this is a bold statement?

 

because you're implying there is a chance the biggest name in study level flightsim will compromise their standards in MSFS

so yeah, that's a pretty bold statement