What I also noticed is that the sun is stronger. So when descending through a cloud layer, it is not blocking the sun as much as it useed to do (my impression). So it doesn't get darker in the cockpit. Lighting level stays as if there would be no clouds at all. 

Does that also have to do with this?

Wow, fascintating reading about the Sistine Chapel restorations.  

I agree with Glenn's synopsis here (which some people seem to have skipped over or not understood). 

I spent over two hours yesterday messing with the Nvidia control panel and the Nvidia experience filters that can be brought up inside MSFS, and I cannot get close to the superb and realistic environmental colours of before SU5.

As Glenn says, due to the changes they have made with HDR, you simply cannot adjust for this no matter how much you play with gamma, contrast, or saturation, it is a change that needs to be made (reverted) in the core code of the sim.

Before SU5, all we needed was a bit of extra light under the clouds maybe, not this.  People use to applaud the natural lighting effect in MSFS, and I saw no complaints, but now we have this, which seems to have spoilt it to me. 

Was this another change to make it look better on Xbox and TV screens maybe?

on my old 1900x1200 monitor, the sim looks horrid since SU5.  Turning the brightness down considerably and the contrast up quite a bit along with some colour balance adjustments has helped a lot, but even wit those settings, the sim still looks nowhere near as good as it did before.

Before SU5,, the ground did look a little dark with clouds but the sunlight on the ground beyween the clouds looked incredibly realistic.

It's not only the ground textures though, the cockpit textures have been made overly bright as well.

What with this, the bugs, pauses, stuttering and cpu temps going up, we have a complete mess of a sim now, so much so that I am having little pleasure flying it.

1 hour ago, cianpars said:

on my old 1900x1200 monitor, the sim looks horrid since SU5.  Turning the brightness down considerably and the contrast up quite a bit along with some colour balance adjustments has helped a lot, but even wit those settings, the sim still looks nowhere near as good as it did before.

Before SU5,, the ground did look a little dark with clouds but the sunlight on the ground beyween the clouds looked incredibly realistic.

It's not only the ground textures though, the cockpit textures have been made overly bright as well.

What with this, the bugs, pauses, stuttering and cpu temps going up, we have a complete mess of a sim now, so much so that I am having little pleasure flying it.

I feel for you!  We were all really excited about this update coming.  Sadly, apart from the welcome FPS increase, things have not turned out necessarily as we would have liked.    Looks like we will need some patience with this.

In VR it was washed out since the moment we got the first VR update, you really tell as the Mirror image on the monitor wasn't as bad. Now with SU5 is even more washed out, regardless of season or time of day. It's an issue that needs rectifying, add it to the monumentous list that Asobo have created for themselves.

15 minutes ago, MarcG said:

In VR it was washed out since the moment we got the first VR update, you really tell as the Mirror image on the monitor wasn't as bad. Now with SU5 is even more washed out, regardless of season or time of day. It's an issue that needs rectifying, add it to the monumentous list that Asobo have created for themselves.

Agree. I wouldn't call my present 2D image "washed out", but under VR (Reverb1 here) it was been washed/bleached out from the beginning. 

I tried numerous approaches and suggestions but none of them worked under VR, they're all effective on a 2D sreen only.

This is one of the issues I would really like to see solved soon.

Kind regards, Michael

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

As Glenn says, due to the changes they have made with HDR, you simply cannot adjust for this no matter how much you play with gamma, contrast, or saturation, it is a change that needs to be made (reverted) in the core code of the sim.

 

I also agree with Glenn, with a small nuance. I did a new session of bightness/contrast/gamma tweaking. One can alleviate a  little bit some dazzling whites (clouds for instance) or overexposed tarmacs but  you reach indeed rapidly the limits of what is possible on an old monitor not HDR capable.  

Something I noted is that eyeadaptation=0 doesn't kill it altogether.

Perhaps this will help someone since it has made such a difference for me: HDR10 Enabled = much more like graphics and color used to be.  Not as dark but richer colors on textures, no longer washed out and no more shimmering objects.  Huge difference and so far as I can tell flying for about half an hour switching back and forth, no fps hit on my 2060 Super.

 

https://imgur.com/tstgwCe

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I feel for you!  We were all really excited about this update coming.  Sadly, apart from the welcome FPS increase, things have not turned out necessarily as we would have liked.    Looks like we will need some patience with this.

MSFS should have been honest with us when they put out the claim about a week and a half ago that told us there would be a massive increase in performance, and added to that disclosure, "the way this will be accomplished  is we will roll back the way scenery and textures are displayed to a lower level, similar to the user moving their sliders to the left."  The reality is, that is apparently what they did. 

5 minutes ago, badgenes said:

Perhaps this will help someone since it has made such a difference for me: HDR10 Enabled = much more like graphics and color used to be.  Not as dark but richer colors on textures, no longer washed out and no more shimmering objects.  Huge difference and so far as I can tell flying for about half an hour switching back and forth, no fps hit on my 2060 Super.

 

https://imgur.com/tstgwCe

Yes it is a lot better in HDR, but I still not good enough on my side, it looks like there is a thin layer of haze all over the screen, but it may depend on the HDR quality of the monitor, my monitor is not 100% genuine HDR.

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

MSFS should have been honest with us when they put out the claim about a week and a half ago that told us there would be a massive increase in performance, and added to that disclosure, "the way this will be accomplished  is we will roll back the way scenery and textures are displayed to a lower level, similar to the user moving their sliders to the left."  The reality is, that is apparently what they did. 

Yes, but now everyone with inferior hardware thinks that they can fly in Ultra settings, but in reality it is no different from before except that their settings are now on Ultra.

And for those of us that cannot use HDR? prior to this abomination of an update the sim was working great.

Edited August 1, 20214 yr by Car147

30 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

MSFS should have been honest with us when they put out the claim about a week and a half ago that told us there would be a massive increase in performance, and added to that disclosure, "the way this will be accomplished  is we will roll back the way scenery and textures are displayed to a lower level, similar to the user moving their sliders to the left."  The reality is, that is apparently what they did. 

Actually I do not think so.

Aside from maybe the LOD and popping which are clearly a result of the optimisations doing less caching - the main graphics nerf seems a result of them playing with the rendering to fix issues on HDR televisions which as an unintended side effect nerfed SDR.  

There are plenty of applications and devices out that which can handle both SDR and HDR displays fine. The suggestion that we are all behind the times and should go out and spend our next pay check buying HDR10 1000 nit monitors to save Asobo a bit of coding are just stupid. 

1 minute ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Actually I do not think so.

Aside from maybe the LOD and popping which are clearly a result of the optimisations doing less caching - the main graphics nerf seems a result of them playing with the rendering to fix issues on HDR televisions which as an unintended side effect nerfed SDR.  

There are plenty of applications and devices out that which can handle both SDR and HDR displays fine. The suggestion that we are all behind the times and should go out and spend our next pay check buying HDR10 1000 nit monitors to save Asobo a bit of coding are just stupid. 

Sorry, not buying your theory at all. HDR is nothing more than expanded gama correction and more color depth  that would display on a compatible monitor. It is either on with a monitor that is compliant, or off by default. This has nothing to do with what most are complaining about,   low res, flattened looking scenery, and scenery that pops up or changes as you "slowly" pan around. This was apparently done to get more FPS, so the X box people wouldn't be upset with poor performance..